ACCURATE ONE. APPARENTLY THERE WERE SOME CHANGES. SO USE THE ONE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU [Call to Order] [00:00:04] EATING. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DOCKETS TO GET THROUGH TODAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN THROUGH SOME OF THIS STUFF. WE'LL MOVE THE ONE FOR FOR THE HARRIET TUBMAN PARKWAY. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT ONE AT THE END SO EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK AND WE'LL HAVE TIME TO DEBATE THAT ONE. SO YES, AGAIN, SO WE'LL JUMP RIGHT IN. FIRST UP WE'VE GOT [Dockets] COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND THIS IS 2026, 3491. AND THIS ONE IS THE APPOINTMENT OF JEFF QUACKENBUSH AS COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC WORKS. SO DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. SEEING NONE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK, SO I'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. YES. WE GET HIS RESUME. WE ALREADY HAVE. FROM 30,000FT BETWEEN YOU AND CHAD AND BETWEEN ME. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE. ALL RIGHT. ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED PASSES. CONGRATULATIONS. CONGRATULATIONS. NEXT UP, COUNTY ATTORNEY, 2026 2938. THIS IS THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THE ASSIGNMENT OF REMAINDER OF THE SELF-INSURED RETENTION. THE MATTER OF JR VERSUS ONEIDA COUNTY ET AL. TO TOKIO MARINE HCC PUBLIC RISK CLAIMS SERVICE. QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. NEXT UP, 2026 3395. THIS IS APPOINTMENTS TO THE ONEIDA COUNTY ETHICS BOARD. QUESTIONS? I GOT A QUESTION. TIM. JULIAN. TIM. JULIAN. HAVE AN APPOINTMENT. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. IT'S VERY ETHICAL QUESTIONS. HEY, BOB, CAN I JUST EXPLAIN THE TERMS? BECAUSE THE TERMS CAN BE A LITTLE CONFUSING. WHEN THE ETHICS BOARD WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED BACK IN 17, THERE WERE STAGGERED TERMS THAT WERE CREATED. AND THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OF EACH PERSON THAT HAD AN APPOINTMENT HAD A DIFFERENT BEGINNING TERM. SO IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A THREE YEAR TERM. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A ONE YEAR TERM. SO GOING BACK SINCE APPOINTMENTS HAVEN'T BEEN MADE SINCE AFTER COVID. WE HAD TO GO BACK AND DETERMINE WHOSE TERM COINCIDED WITH WHAT YEARS. SO WHEN YOU SEE MARY'S APPOINTMENT, IT ENDS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, STARTED IN 24. THAT IS ACCURATE. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. NEXT UP, AIRPORT 2026 3268. AND THIS IS TRANSFER OF $2,000 TO A 5610 FOR 25000. TRAINING AND SPECIAL SCHOOLS. AVIATION QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. PASSES. 2026 3204. ONE IS THE APPROVAL AND RATIFICATION OF GRANT AGREEMENTS BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THROUGH THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND TWO, WE'RE BOTH VOTING ON BOTH OF THESE TOGETHER. RIGHT, MIKE? ADVANCE APPROVAL, APPROVAL, OR RATIFICATION OF GRANT AGREEMENTS BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THROUGH THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION AND ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OH, WE MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT THROUGH 2026 28, 51. THIS IS DFCS. THIS IS APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES AND TOWNSQUARE MEDIA OF UTICA, ROME, INC. QUESTIONS. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. STICKING WITH DFCS [00:05:02] 2026 2893. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF PURCHASES PURCHASE OF SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES AND ROME ALLIANCE FOR EDUCATION LIMITED. QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? GOING ON TO MENTAL HEALTH 2026 3112. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF MENTAL HEALTH AND UPSTATE CEREBRAL PALSY, DBA UPSTATE CARING PARTNERS. QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. NEXT UP, COUNTY ATTORNEY 2026 3019. THIS IS A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE STANDARDIZATION TO THOMSON REUTERS ENTERPRISE CENTER, GMBH WEST PUBLISHING CORPORATION FOR EMPLOYEE USE FOR LEGAL RESEARCH. PEOPLE MAPPING, SKIP TRACING AND COMPANY INVESTIGATIONS. QUESTIONS. AND WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. MOVING ON TO FINANCE 2026 3065. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF THREE ROUGH REFUNDS AND ONE CORRECTION TO VARIOUS ERRONEOUS TAX ASSESSMENTS. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. STICKING WITH FINANCE 2026 3274. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE BIDS OFFERED AT THE MAY 23RD, 2026 PROPERTY AUCTION. QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. ALL RIGHT. 2026, 3275. THIS IS FOR COUNTY EXECUTIVE, AND THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $250,000 TO 880, 20, 6410 FOR 98 TO 10 ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE, VFW QUESTIONS. SO I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE'S INTENT WITH THIS, TO SET ASIDE FUNDING. THE PROPOSAL CALLED FOR $250,000 THAT WERE PROVEN TODAY, AND ANOTHER 250,000 NEXT YEAR. THE DESIGNATION IS THAT MONEY COME OUT OF ONEIDA INDIAN NATION, FUNDS THAT CAME THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVES AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT. I'M NOT PUTTING DOWN THE INTENT OF THE GRANTS. I FULLY AGREE WITH THAT. I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH HOW THAT LINE ITEM GETS FUNDED. I WOULD ASK THIS BOARD TO CONSIDER BACK WHERE YOU WERE LAST YEAR AND INTO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER AS YOU FORMULATED A BUDGET, AND WE HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU TO SAY WHO RECALL WHO CAME TO THOSE MEETINGS SEEKING FUNDING. I DON'T RECALL ANY OF THE VFW AMERICAN LEGION'S BEING THERE. I DO RECALL SEVERAL REQUESTS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING BEING DESIGNATED TO HOST COMMUNITIES OF THE OIN MONIES. I KNOW THAT THIS IMPACTS THAT GOING FORWARD. WHEN YOU ADD THAT LINE ITEM NEXT YEAR INTO THE BUDGET. YES, YOU YOU'RE PULLING IT OUT OF THERE THIS YEAR. AND FROM THE INDICATION IS THE FUNDS CONTINUE TO INCREASE THROUGH THAT AGREEMENT WITH THE NATION, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT TO CONTINUE, ETCETERA. THE SECOND PIECE OF THIS IS THOSE HOST COMMUNITIES HAVE A FIVE YEAR AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY. WITHIN THOSE FIVE YEAR AGREEMENTS, I BELIEVE THERE WAS LANGUAGE THAT THEY WOULD BE REEVALUATED IN YEAR FOUR, AND THAT IF THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL MONEY, THERE WAS A PERCENTAGE THAT THE COUNTY RECEIVED ABOVE WHAT WAS BUDGETED, THAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERATION OF ADDITIONAL SHARES BACK TO THOSE HOST COMMUNITIES. SO WHILE I SUPPORT THIS, IT IS HALF $1 MILLION OVER TWO YEARS. AGAIN, I WOULD LOOK BACK AT WHAT THOSE HOST COMMUNITY MUNICIPALITIES RECEIVE AND JUDGE THAT OF WHERE THAT FAIRNESS TO THOSE HOST COMMUNITIES STANDS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I HAVE TO RESPOND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PROCESS. THE PROCESS IS IT'S NOT ONCE AND DONE AT BUDGET TIME. IF YOU SHOW UP AT A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU MAKE A REQUEST, YOU'RE ENTITLED TO FUNDING, THIS IS UPON NEED, AND NEED HAPPENS 365 DAYS A YEAR. AND WHEN IT RISES TO A LEVEL OF NEED AND CONTROL FROM THE COUNTY, THIS. WHAT [00:10:02] BETTER POT OF MONEY TO USE THAN THAN ONE THAT WAS GENERATED IN THE WAY IT WAS TO, I GUESS WHERE I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DISAGREEMENT IS IN PAIRING ONE NECESSITY AGAINST ANOTHER. TRYING TO DO IS TO PRIORITIZE ONE'S NEEDS OVER THE OTHER. AND I LOOK AT THEM ALL THE SAME. PUBLIC NEED IS A PUBLIC NEED. AND WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING WITH VETERANS, I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, IT CERTAINLY TRUMPS ALMOST ANY OTHER. SO I WILL DEFEND THAT AND DEFEND THIS DECISION AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO PROCEDURALLY SAY THERE'S A DEFAULT SOMEHOW. AND THAT'S. WHEN I FIRST BECAME A LEGISLATOR. I WAS APPROACHED BY THE VFW AND THEIR NEED FOR MONEY. AND FINALLY, AFTER MANY, MANY YEARS, THE CLINTON VFW NEAR MCDONALD'S, THE BACKSIDE MCDONALD'S HAS BEEN WORKING ON A NEW ROOF AND PAVING THEIR PARKING LOT. AND I THINK THEY RAISED A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT PRIVATELY. THAT IS, WITHOUT THE COUNTY. CERTAINLY WHEN ARPA WENT THROUGH, I PITCHED TO THEM TO ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES FOR ARPA MONEY, BUT I THINK THEY WERE LATE TO THE GAME. THEY HAVE GUYS THAT THE HEAD OF IT RIGHT NOW, I THINK IS A PILOT FOR ONE OF THE AIRLINES. SO THEY ALL HAVE JOBS. THEY'RE ALL BUSY, SO NOT ALL OF THEM CAN MAKE IT HERE ON A BOARD DAY. BUT THAT SAID, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS, BUT I APPRECIATE KEITH'S POINT TOO ABOUT THE HOST COMMUNITIES BEING ENTITLED TO A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE TO OFFSET WHAT GOES ON. YEAH. IN RESPONSE, GEORGE. I THINK THE COMPARISON OF LOOKING AT BUDGET TIME AND HEARINGS WAS ONE STATEMENT. THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE REFLECTED THAT HE HAS MULTIPLE REQUESTS FROM THESE AGENCIES FOR FUNDING. WE'RE NOT USUALLY PRIVY TO THAT. THOSE REQUESTS, OBVIOUSLY, THEY COME THROUGH HIS OFFICE. AND IF YOU GO BACK TO SOME OF THE FUNDING OF THE ORIGINAL WITH THE 2013 AGREEMENT, THAT SOME OF THAT FUNDING WAS SET UP SIMILAR WITH GRANTS AND FUNDING TO AGENCIES THAT COULD ACCESS A POOL OF MONEY, SO TO SPEAK, THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. SO I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. I WOULD JUST ASK IT, COME BUDGET TIME NEXT YEAR. AGAIN, YOU MAKE THE COMPARISON, CHAD, BETWEEN FIXING ROOFS AND AND THE ONES THAT I'M TRYING TO REPRESENT THAT MIGHT BE USING THOSE FUNDS FOR PLOWING ROADS. AND, AND THERE AGAIN, I AGREE, GEORGE, A CERTAIN THERE'S A POOL OF MONEY AND ARE YOU COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES OR A DIFFERENT NEEDS. WE ALL KNOW WE GOT COUNTY NEEDS. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS SIT HERE THAT COME TO THIS BOARD EVERY DAY WITH FINANCIAL NEEDS AND REQUESTS, AND IT'S A MATTER OF HOW DO YOU BALANCE THAT OUT AND APPROVE IT. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS. AND ALSO SEEING HOW MANY OF THOSE THAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE IDENTIFIED OF MAYBE 25 OR SO IN THE COUNTY, HOW MANY THROW THEIR HATS INTO, GEEZ, WE'VE GOT $10,000. WE'LL MATCH IT WITH COUNTY MONEY, WITH $10,000 NEW ROOF OR REPAIR, WHATEVER HAPPENS. SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO SKIP OVER 2026, 32, 85. WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AROUND AT THE END. SO WE'LL GO DOWN TO MVCC 2026 3444. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE 2026 2027 MOHAWK VALLEY COMMUNITY COLLEGE OPERATING BUDGET. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. I THINK. FOR DENTAL HYGIENE IN THE PROGRAM OR IN THE BUDGET PROPOSED BUDGET, WE HAVE TWO FULL TIME FACULTY, A DENTAL ASSISTANT AND A SUPPORT STAFF. FOR THAT PROGRAM, IT MAY BE UNDER A JUMPED OUT TO ME. DEFINITELY. OKAY. MOVING ON. WE'VE GOT PUBLIC WORKS UP. DID YOU CALL A VOTE? YEAH, CALL THE VOTE. WE DID. THAT'S RIGHT. [00:15:04] YEAH. 20, 26, 30, 99 PUBLIC WORKS. AND THAT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF LAW AND CENTRO OF ONEIDA, INC. QUESTIONS. NOW WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. NEXT UP FOR PUBLIC WORKS, 2026 2959. THAT'S THE APPROVAL OF A LEASE RENEWAL BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY AND ROME BASEBALL ASSOCIATION INC. QUESTIONS. I'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES 2026 2973. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF A SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT TO NUMBER THREE, TO AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND BARTON AND LOGIUDICE DPC. SEE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT. CHAIRPERSON OF THE BOARD IS MORE MAGNANIMOUS THAN THE PREVIOUS. IN THAT PREVIOUS CONTRACTS, IT WAS $1 IN ALL CONSIDERATIONS, AND THIS IS $0, SO I. I APPLAUD HER ON THAT. DEFEND IT ALL IN ONE PLACE. I NEED THE BUCK. BUT BUT EVERY CONTRACT REQUIRES A BARGAIN FOR EXCHANGE. THAT IS CONSIDERATION OF SOME DEGREE. BUT IT COULD BE LOVE AND AFFECTION FOR THAT MATTER. YOU'RE SAYING THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT? YEAH, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, BUT HUG SOMEONE. CRATFIELD. WHAT ELSE? SEE? NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES 2026 2756 IS THE APPROVAL OF A CONSULTANT SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND DELTA ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS, LAND SURVEYORS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. DPC QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES 2026 3070. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND MARCH ASSOCIATES, ARCHITECTS AND PLANNERS. PC QUESTIONS? YEAH. I'D LIKE TO HAVE MATT BEASLEY COME UP TO THE MIC IF YOU COULD, AND MAYBE RANDY VAN WAGNER. YEAH, NO. SO MATT'S NOT HERE. I TALKED TO MATT A LITTLE BIT. I THOUGHT MATT WAS HERE, BUT I CAN JUST SHARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. THE CHILLER PROJECT FOR PAYNE HALL WAS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE CAPITAL PROJECT TWO YEARS AGO. WE WERE ABLE TO, WHEN WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO SITE THE APPLIED TECHNOLOGY CENTER WHERE WE ARE, WE WERE ABLE TO PUT A TWO YEAR TEMPORARY SOLUTION IN PLACE. SO WE'RE THEN ABLE TO INCLUDE THE MOVING THE CHILLER ONE TIME INSTEAD OF TWO TIMES, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO MOVE IT A SECOND TIME IF ONCE THE ATC WAS BUILT. SO ACTUALLY SAVED MONEY OVERALL WITH THOSE TWO PROJECTS WITH THE CHILLER, THE EQUIPMENT CHANGES ARE RELATED TO. WE SECURED AN ADDITIONAL $800,000 GRANT FROM SENATOR SCHUMER'S OFFICE THAT CREATED ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT FOR THE ATC. IN ADDITION, WE WERE PLANNING ON KEEPING THE FAB LAB SOME FAB LAB EQUIPMENT IN THE FORMER SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY BUILDING, WHICH IS GOING TO BECOME THE ON RAMP CENTER, EMPIRE STATE DEVELOPMENT SAYS. WE HAVE TO CLEAN THAT COMPLETELY OUT, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE MORE EQUIPMENT INTO THE FAB LAB THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THAT TOLD. THEN PUTS A LOAD ON THE ELECTRICAL, WHICH GOES TO THOSE CHANGES AS WELL. SO HOPE. HAPPY TO HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE AMENDMENTS. THE FIRST TIME I HAD AN ANSWER WITHOUT ASKING A QUESTION. NO. VERY GOOD, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS AND MY GOOD COLLEAGUE HERE, DAVID BUCK, HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON HOW THESE THINGS EVOLVE PROPERLY. SO IN TERMS OF WE'RE A LOT OF TIMES WE GET A PROJECT AND THEY'RE COSTING X, AND THEN THE NEXT THING THERE'S A CHANGE AND THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL MONIES INVOLVED COMING OUT OF THE TAXPAYERS POCKETS FOR THOSE CHANGES. AND I GUESS SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT PRIVY TO THE INFORMATION THAT IS EXCHANGED, WHETHER BETWEEN NBCC OR PUBLIC WORKS AND MARCH ASSOCIATES, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT MARCH ASSOCIATES DID THESE CHANGES. THIS BILL IN GOOD FAITH, IN ANTICIPATION OF BEING REQUESTED TO MAKE CHANGES TO MAKE THIS PROJECT. THAT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A GOLD STANDARD FOR HAVING STUDENTS MOVE INTO THE WORKFORCE ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S AN AI AND OTHER TECHNOLOGIES. IF YOU WANT TO MENTION HOW THAT ALL DEVOLVED OR. YEAH, JUST THE THE SECONDARY EARMARK FELT LIKE A MOONSHOT, TO BE VERY HONEST. WE'D ALREADY SECURED $2 MILLION FROM SENATOR SCHUMER'S OFFICE, AND THAT WAS INTEGRATED INTO [00:20:04] THE PROJECT. THE 800,002ND ONE DIDN'T EXPECT TO GET A SECOND ONE, BUT IT WAS HOPEFUL. AND THEN ON RAMP, WE DID ANTICIPATE THE CHANGES THERE. WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO USE UTILIZE EXISTING EQUIPMENT TO KEEP IN THE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY BUILDING, AND WHEN IT BECOMES THE ON RAMP. SO THOSE TWO THERE, I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM LATE BREAKING NEWS, BUT I GUESS THEY WERE UNANTICIPATED FROM THIRD PARTY EFFORTS. AND ORIGINALLY THE SCIENCE AND BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS WERE WERE TO BE AT THE OLD BUILDING. AND NOW THERE'S A BRAND NEW LOCATION. AND SO THE FIBER LINES RUNNING OVER TO THAT NEW ACADEMIC BUILDING IS A CAMPUS FIBER IS IN THE IS IN THE EXISTING ACADEMIC BUILDING. SO CONNECTION NEEDED TO BE MADE ON THAT, THAT ONE. I DON'T QUITE HAVE THE DETAILS ON. YEAH, NO, NO WORRIES. BUT BUT SUFFICE TO SAY SOME OF THIS STUFF WAS NOT ON MARCH ASSOCIATES PLATE WHEN THEY WERE ASKED TO DO THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN. THANK YOU. YEAH, YEAH. GOOD QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON WHY ARE THESE CHANGES THERE? BUT THAT'S THE THE RATIONALE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. QUICK FOLLOW UP. YOU MENTIONED SENATOR SCHUMER'S OFFICE AND THE FUNDING AND ALSO DONATIONS OF EQUIPMENT OR SPONSORSHIP IN THE COLLEGE'S POSITION. DOES ANY OF THAT DRAW MATCHING FUNDS OUT OF THE FROM THE STATE WHEN YOU RECEIVE FUNDS LIKE THAT? YES, YES. SO ALL OF THE TWO SCHUMER DESIGNATIONS MATCHED WITH STATE DOLLARS. AND THEN NEXT MONTH, WE'LL HOPEFULLY BE BRINGING A $1 MILLION IN-KIND MATCH FROM FAB MATTOX TO WHO IS BUILDING THERE. THAT IS PLANNED WITHIN THE THE PROJECT. BUT SUNY, IT'S BEEN WITH SUNY FOR A BIT AND WE JUST RECEIVED WORD THAT WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK THROUGH THE MVCC BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND THE COUNTY BOARD HERE. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT NEXT MONTH. AND THAT'LL BE $1 MILLION IN-KIND DONATION FROM FAB MATTOX FOR THEIR TRAINING CENTER IN THE FRONT, FRONT OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THAT WILL BE MATCHED BY ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S AWESOME WORK. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T SEE YOU. I DIDN'T NEED TO SEE IT. ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP, 2026. 28, 76. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF AN ENGINEERING SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND DELTA ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS AND LAND SURVEYORS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. DPC QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WITH PUBLIC WORKS, THIS IS 2026 2879. APPROVAL OF A CONSULTANT SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND DELTA ENGINEERS, ARCHITECTS AND SURVEYORS AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS. DPC QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. 263124. THIS IS APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT WITH MARCH ASSOCIATES, ARCHITECTS AND PLANNERS, PC FOR PROFESSIONAL DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE CAMPUS MASTER PLAN AT MOHAWK VALLEY COMMUNITY COLLEGE, UTICA AND ROME. CAMPUSES. QUESTIONS. HOW OFTEN DO WE HAVE TO DO THIS? MASTER PLAN UPDATE IDEALLY TEN YEARS. THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY 15 YEARS. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE ON FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. ALL RIGHT. FINALLY MOVING ON. WATER POLLUTION 2026 3003. THIS IS THE AUTHORIZATION FOR ONEIDA COUNTY TO APPLY FOR A STRENGTHENING ESSENTIAL CYBERSECURITY FOR UTILITIES AND RESILIENCY ENHANCEMENT GRANT PROGRAM. QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE. SEEING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE. PASSES 2026 3258 AUTHORIZATION FOR ONEIDA COUNTY TO APPLY FOR A WATER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT ACT GRANT AND SUBMIT THE CORRESPONDING CLEAN WATER STATE REVOLVING FUND APPLICATION FOR PROPOSED ULTRAVIOLET DISINFECTION PROJECT AT THE WATER POLLUTION CONTROL PLANT. QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'LL CALL THE VOTE ON FAVOR. AYE. OKAY. NEXT UP, 2026 3257. THIS IS THE AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT FUNDING APPLICATIONS TO THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION THROUGH THE WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT [00:25:03] GRANT PROGRAM. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED PASSES. ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO DISTRICT ATTORNEY, 2026 3025 IS THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. NEXT ONE UP. 2026 2999. SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $19,880 TO A 1165, 33, 89175 STATE AID PUBLIC SAFETY. STRIVE GRANT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? 2026 3118. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IN NEW YORK STATE THROUGH ITS OFFICE OF VICTIM SERVICES. QUESTIONS. FAVOR. AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES 2026 3129. THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $35,974 TO A 1165 FOR 951 60 OTHER EXPENSE GRANT FUNDED EXPENDITURES. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES 2026 3101. THIS IS SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $650,000 TO A 1165. I DON'T HAVE THE REST OF THAT. VARIOUS DISTRICT ATTORNEY ACCOUNTS QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. LAST ONE FOR DISTRICT ATTORNEY. THIS IS 2026 3000 APPROVAL OF COUNTY FISCAL YEAR 2025 EQUITABLE SHARING AGREEMENT AND CERTIFICATION BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND TREASURY. QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. OKAY. MOVING ON TO EMERGENCY SERVICES. FIRST UP, 2026 3276. THIS IS A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $72,768 TO A 30, 21, 95, 155 PERSONAL SERVICES, ANIMAL TRANSPORT, EMERGENCY SERVICES AND 177,232 TO A 30 2492000 COMPUTER. SOFTWARE AND LICENSES QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. 2026 2928. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS OFFICE OF EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF HOMELAND SECURITY AND EMERGENCY SERVICES AND ESTABLISHMENT OF CAPITAL PROJECT HEM159. EMERGENCY SERVICES EN24 1038 E ZERO ZERO. ICE GRANT QUESTIONS. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. PROBATION 2026 2931. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PROBATION AND NEW YORK STATE THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES. ANY QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. PASSES. INDIGENT LEGAL SERVICES 2026 3122. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS ASSIGNED COUNSEL PROGRAM AND NEW YORK STATE THROUGH ITS OFFICE OF INDIGENT LEGAL SERVICES. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. ALL RIGHT. NEXT UP IS SHERIFF. 2026 2907. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND NEW YORK STATE THROUGH ITS CANAL CORPORATION. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. NEXT UP, 2026 2952. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 2026. 29, 75. THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND NEW YORK STATE GOVERNOR'S TRAFFIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. WE'LL CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 2026 2998 IS THE APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH [00:30:03] ITS SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES? QUESTIONS? CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED. PASSES. ALL RIGHT. CIRCLING BACK AROUND NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO. 2026, 32, 85. WE HAD A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE TO EDUCATE US TODAY. ELLIE AND NIKITA. OKAY. ROOM LADIES, COME ON UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE. FOR HAVING US HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO GIVE AN OVERVIEW TO START OR JUST GO AHEAD? SO I'M ALEX, I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND I'M FROM ONEIDA COUNTY. AND NIKITA ALSO LED EFFORTS ON RESOLUTION. SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT BY WAY THE HIGHWAY GOING THROUGH ONEIDA COUNTY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, HERE TO KIND OF GET THAT STARTED. SO FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS DOCKET NUMBER 2026 3285 QUESTIONS. SO LAST NIGHT I OBVIOUSLY, I'M SURE JAN FILLED YOU IN OF SOME OF THE DIALOG AND DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF DEBATE, A LOT OF DECISIONS FROM THIS BOARD, A FEW CORRECTIONS FROM LAST NIGHT AND STANCE INFORMATION THAT I GOT SINCE LAST NIGHT. I SENT A TEXT TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THE WITHIN THE CAUCUS, AND I SENT A MAP PICTURE FOR A NIGHT OF COUNTY AND REFERENCED THAT ONE QUARTER OF THE TRAIL FALLS WITHIN THE TOWN OF VERNON. THAT'S A MISTAKE ON MY PART. IT'S MORE LIKE ONE THIRD OF THAT ROUTE FALLS WITHIN THE TOWN OF VERNON. THUS THEY'RE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FOR MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS DECISION. THIS ROUTE HAS VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON YOU. IT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE COUNTY AND ON TOURISM. BUT WITH THE EXAMPLES I'LL CITE HERE IN A MINUTE. IT PROBABLY DOESN'T AFFECT MANY OF THE AREAS IN THE COUNTY. THIS ISSUE BOILS DOWN TO MONEY. HOW DO WE PROMOTE AN AREA? WHO'S IN CHARGE OF THAT AREA? WHAT'S THE BENEFITS? FROM A TOURISM STANDPOINT, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THE COUNTY COULD COULD BENEFIT THE PROXIMITY OF THIS TRAIL TO OUR LARGEST TOURISM ATTRACTION IN THE COUNTY IS VERY EVIDENT. HOWEVER, IF YOU LEFT TURNING STONE, YOU'D PROBABLY GO DOWN BEACON LIGHT, AVOID THE ACTUAL TRAIL. GO OUT THROUGH THE BACK SIDE OF CITY OF SHERRILL AND PICK UP. BEAT PETERBOROUGH AND MADISON COUNTY ONEIDA COUNTY IF THEY WERE PURSUING ATTRACTIONS OUT IN PETERBOROUGH. THE OTHER THING IS. SO MONEY REALLY PLAYS AN ISSUE AND I THINK FROM THE TOWNSHIP STANDPOINT IS THEY TAKE THE ATTITUDE OF WHAT'S IN IT FOR US AND AS YOU REPRESENT YOUR AREAS, I'M SURE THAT WOULD BE A STANCE YOU WOULD TAKE TO. THE OTHER THING IS THE LANGUAGE HERE IN THIS. IF I SAY TO YOU, CLOSE YOUR EYES AND ENVISION THE SCENIC BYWAY, FEW OF YOU WOULD WOULD ENVISION GOING THROUGH MANHATTAN. YET THAT'S PART OF THE BYWAY. THE SCENIC BYWAY. WITH NO DISRESPECT TO MY UTICA COLLEAGUES, BYWAY GOES THROUGH UTICA AND SAY, YEAH, THROUGH THAT TRAVEL. IT'S NOT WHAT WE WOULD ENVISION OR WHAT I WOULD CERTAINLY AS A SCENIC BYWAY. BUT I SAY, HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE TO YOU. PICTURE THIS ONE COMMERCIAL DRIVE, THE ARTERIAL. YOU ALL HAVE AN IMAGE OF WHAT'S THERE. YOU MIGHT GO DOWN THROUGH COMMERCIAL DRIVE, GO PAST THE MALL AND STORES AND COMMERCE, AND THE TOWN OF VERNON. ROUTE FIVE IS COMMERCIAL DRIVE, THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT THEY HAVE IN THE TOWN? THAT MAKES SENSE IS THAT ROUTE FROM TURNING STONE TO UTICA. MOSTLY THAT TRAFFIC GOES DOWN FIVE. OR JUMP ON THE THRUWAY AND COME IN THE BACK SIDE. SO WITH THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE ISSUE BOILS DOWN TO HOME RULE AND WHO'S IN CHARGE OF WHAT REGULATIONS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT A TOWNSHIP AND TRYING TO MANAGE ITS HOME RULE, SEVERAL THINGS KIND OF COME INTO PLAY. THE IDEA OF [00:35:03] SELF-GOVERNANCE, IT HAS TO GO TO CODES OR PLANNING TO DETERMINE, DOES A SIGN GO UP? DOES A BUSINESS GO IN? AND BOTTOM LINE, THIS THE WHOLE DISAGREEMENT REVOLVES DOWN TO WHO'S IN CONTROL OF WHAT. SIGNAGE WITHIN THIS SCENIC DRIVE. AND AGAIN, THINK OF BILLBOARDS. MAYBE UTICA PUTS UP A NEW PAINTING ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING THAT BECOMES THEIR BILLBOARD. WELL, NOT IF THEY'RE ON THE SCENIC DRIVE. SO WITH THAT, THE RULES IMPOSED FROM THIS REGULATION FROM AN OUTSIDE AGENCY ON A COUNTY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, ON A MUNICIPALITY, WHAT ARE THE RULES SAY? SO A FEW THINGS. THE BYWAY BECOMES A PERMANENT ACCESS AND A PERMANENT RULES OR LAW. DON'T THINK OF TODAY WHAT GETS GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT THINK A DECADE FROM NOW OR TWO DECADES FROM NOW. AND I LOOK IN MY COMMUNITY AND SAY, WHAT'S CHANGED IN 2 OR 3 DECADES? JEEZ, WE HAVE A NEW CASINO IN THE BACKYARD THAT'S JUST BEEN DEVELOPED IN THAT 2 TO 3 DECADE WINDOW. WE HAVE A NEW HOTEL GOING IN. WE HAVE OTHER COMMERCE GOING IN, WE HAVE NEW GOLF COURSES. SO A LOT OF COMMERCE THAT'S DEVELOPED IN THAT LAST DECADE OR TWO. AND THIS COULD PUT PUT REGULATIONS OR RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU TAKE THE DRIVE THAT I JUST TOOK, COME IN HERE TODAY AND JUMP ON ROUTE FIVE FROM VERNON AND COME DOWN THROUGH A LOT OF OPEN SPACE THAT WHAT WILL THAT LOOK LIKE IN 15 YEARS? DID YOU SEE THE NEW STORE THAT WENT IN THE NEW FARM STAND, THE NEW. WHATEVER WOULD THE REGULATIONS THAT COULD RESTRICT HOW THOSE THOSE BUSINESSES ARE PROMOTED. A COUPLE EXAMPLES FOR YOU. FOR MY FRIENDS UP NORTH, DRIVING ROUTE 12 NORTH. IF YOU WERE IN THE BYWAY, THE SCENIC BYWAY, YOU NO LONGER PUT A REMSEN BARN FEST SIGN OUT ON ROUTE 12. THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL IF YOU WERE GOING TO THE BOONVILLE FAIR AND WANTED TO ADVERTISE THAT FROM ROUTE 12 SIGN WOULD NOT BE. UNLESS IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY ON. ON THE FAIR GROUNDS TO PUT THAT SIGN UP WOULD BE CONSIDERED NOT IN WITHIN THE REGULATIONS AND MY DRIVE HERE THAT I CAME OVER ROUTE FIVE WEST COMING INTO NEW HARTFORD, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OF BILLBOARD SIGNS THERE THAT THEY CHANGED THEIR ADVERTISEMENT VERY PERIODICALLY. SO ONE OF THEM IS IF ON ROUTE FIVE, I WANT TO REDIRECT TRAFFIC TO ROUTE TWO. 233 MAYBE THERE WOULD BE A FARM STAND OUT THAT WAY THAT WOULD WANT TO ADVERTISE APPLE HARVESTING. THAT SIGN WOULD BE LEGAL AS LONG AS IT FALLS INTO THE LANGUAGE OF THE PARAMETERS. BUT THERE WOULD BE NO OTHER SIGNAGE ALLOWED ALONG THAT ROUTE. SO KNOWING THAT THAT COMPANY HAD THE MONOPOLY FOR ADVERTISING ALONG THAT WAY, THEY COULD CHANGE THE RATES AND MAYBE INCREASE THOSE RATES. ANOTHER ONE THINK OF ROUTE 365. IF THAT WAS ON THE BYWAY AND IT WAS GOING PAST THE CONNECTOR TO GRIFFITHS AIR FORCE BASE, AND YOU WANT TO PUT UP A NEW BILLBOARD DIRECTING PEOPLE TO A SPORTING COMPLEX. IF 365 WAS IN THIS BYWAY, THAT SIGN WOULD NOW BE CONSIDERED ILLEGAL TO PUT UP. ON MY WAY HERE THIS. THIS MORNING, I TRAVELED OVER DEANS HIGHWAY. THAT IS A COUNTY ROAD. THE SHOULDERS OF THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MOWED DOWN. AND YET THE LANGUAGE IN HERE FOR THIS BYWAY IS ROADSIDE MOWING SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE CORRIDOR MANAGEMENT PLAN. IF YOU READ THROUGH WHO THAT IS, IT'S A SELECT GROUP THAT A COMMITTEE PICKS LATER THAT DECIDES, HERE'S WHO'S MANAGING AND MAKING THE RULES AND HOW YOU MOW THE ROAD. SO IN THIS INSTANCE YOU HAVE A COUNTY ROAD, PETERBOROUGH THAT'S MAINTAINED BY CONTRACT BY THE TOWN VERNON, AND HAS OVERSIGHT FROM A STATE COMMITTEE THAT HASN'T BEEN APPOINTED YET. WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS? NOT SURE. ANOTHER FALLBACK IS WHAT IS CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY SIGN. SO THE SIGNAGE IS CONTROLLED. YOU HAVE A GARAGE SALE. LAWN SALE. THAT'S OKAY. IF YOU HAVE A POLITICAL TYPE THING, THOSE SIGNS ARE NOT OKAY. SO FOR SOME [00:40:06] SITTING IN THE ROOM THAT WE'VE WE'VE PROMOTED IN THE PAST AN INTERSECTION LIKE STATE ROUTE FIVE AND STATE ROUTE 26 IS AN IDEAL LOCATION, ESPECIALLY IF TRAFFIC STOPS THERE TO AT THE STOPLIGHT. FOR A POLITICAL SIGN, THOSE WOULD BE BANNED AT THIS POINT TOO. SO I THINK AS WE LOOK BACK AT THIS AND SAY THE REGULATIONS, I THINK FROM THE TOWN STANDPOINT, AND INCIDENTALLY, I DID FROM ONE OF THE COUNCILMEN I KNOW I HAVE YOUR LETTER THAT WAS SENT IN SEPTEMBER. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS. JAN WAS OUT AT THE TOWN MEETING, BUT THE FRUSTRATION WAS FROM A COUNCILMAN. WE'VE ASKED THE QUESTIONS, MAINLY THE MOWING, THE POLITICAL SIGNS, THE LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT, SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT'S THERE NOW WITH DIGITAL BILLBOARDS THAT ADVERTISE OFF PREMISE. WOULD THOSE HAVE TO BE. WOULD THEY, UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS, FALL INTO THAT? THAT IS, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS. I FEEL THEIR FRUSTRATION. THEY FELT WHOEVER FROM YOUR GROUP WENT OUT, COULDN'T PROVIDE THOSE ANSWERS. AND THEY'RE IN A POSITION. KNOW WE'VE VOTED ON THIS THREE TIMES AND WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY NOT TO APPROVE IT UNTIL SOMEBODY REACHES BACK TO THEM TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I FIELDED. I THINK THEY'RE A SOLID NO. AND AGAIN, THE LAST POINT, I THINK IT FALLS DOWN TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCE. AND AND HERE THAT ROUTE FIVE CORRIDOR TO THE TOWNSHIP, THAT'S HER LIFEBLOOD OF TRYING TO RAISE ECONOMICS DOWN THE ROAD. AND IT COULD BE OKAY IF YOU WANT TO ADVERTISE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, IF VERNON DOWNS FAILS AND THERE'S A NEW AGENCY THAT GOES IN, AND THAT'S HOW STUHLMAN ROAD, A MILE OFF FROM FIVE, HOW DO I DIRECT TRAFFIC DOWN THERE? IF I PROHIBITED FROM PUTTING UP SIGNAGE THAT MIGHT HELP THAT? SO THAT'S MY STANCE. I APPRECIATE TAKING THE TIME TO MISTER CHAIR AND I'LL LISTEN TO MY COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU. RESPOND TO THE LIMITATIONS. AS FAR AS THE RESTRICTIONS ON THE I SAID LAST NIGHT AND I PUT IT RIGHT IN. SO TEMPORARY AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNS. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO REROUTE TRAFFIC, THOSE ARE CERTAIN ON SIGNS. SO IT'S A NEW CASINO THAT CERTAINLY PUT SIGNAGE ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. IF ANYTHING ELSE IS DEVELOPED, THEY CAN CERTAINLY ADVERTISE ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THIS VERY FULL THROATED DEFENSE FOR BILLBOARDS, BUT I REALLY DO THINK YOU NEED TO ACTUAL PREMISES HERE. IT IS A HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHT, A LOT OF IMPORTANT HISTORY HAPPENED IN ONEIDA COUNTY, SO YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST PUTTING UP A BILLBOARD. THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF AN EXTREMELY INTEGRAL PART OF THIS NATION'S HISTORY. AND I APPRECIATE YOU DEFENDING IT. VERNON DOESN'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT. WE'LL GO AROUND IT. BUT TO SAY THAT THE IMPORTANT THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THEIR HISTORICAL TOURISM IS BOOMING. PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN IT, AND PEOPLE WILL PURPOSELY TAKE THIS TRAIL TO SEE THE TYPE. THE TRAIL THAT ENSLAVED PEOPLE TOOK TO REACH FREEDOM. I, I'M SORRY, I, I'M, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. THIS IS NOT A LEGAL ISSUE. IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE. I GAVE YOU ALL OF THE SITES LAST NIGHT. I DETAILED THE REGULATIONS FOR YOU, EACH AND EVERY ONE. IF YOU WANT TO PUT A CHICK FIL A SIGN UP OVER THE REMARKABLE HISTORY OF THIS WOMAN AND THE PATH THAT THESE PEOPLE TOOK, MAKE THAT DECISION. IF VERNON DOESN'T WANT TO BE PART OF IT, WE'LL GO AROUND IT. BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR LEGAL ADVICE, THERE IS NONE. I GAVE YOU THE LEGAL ADVICE. YOU CAN'T PUT NEW BILLBOARDS UP, AND YOU CAN'T ADVERTISE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY. THAT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. GO AHEAD. CARL. THERE IS A ROUTE 20 SCENIC BYWAY CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE THAT RUNS 108 MILES AND DOWN ROUTE 20 THROUGH BRIDGEWATER AND GARFIELD. IS THERE ANY DIFFERENCE IN THE SIGN REGULATIONS OF THAT SCENIC BYWAY THAN THIS PROPOSED SCENIC BYWAY? NO, THERE IS NOT. AND TO ADD IN, THERE ARE ALSO TWO OTHER BYWAYS THAT COME INTO ONEIDA COUNTY, SPECIFICALLY BLACK RIVER TRAIL AND REVOLUTIONARY TRAIL AS WELL. THEY COME IN UTICA ON THE SAME [00:45:03] PATHWAY ON FIVE THROUGH HERKIMER. ONE WAS PASSED IN 2004, ONE WAS PASSED IN 1992, AND THEY WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE SAME SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS, AS WELL AS ITS PER DOT, AND IT IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY BYWAY. SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS IN PLACE. SURE. I'D LIKE TO ADD IS I MEAN. WE DIDN'T CREATE THE HISTORIC BYWAY. WE DIDN'T CREATE THE HISTORY. WE'RE JUST HEARING A SNAPSHOT OF HONORING HISTORY. I CAN'T I CAN'T FATHOM WHY WE WOULDN'T HONOR THE HISTORY THAT TOOK PLACE LONG BEFORE WE WERE HERE. WE CAN ACT ON WHAT WE DO HERE, BUT WE FALL WAY SHORT ON. THE SAME LEVEL. I AGREE WITH THE COUNSELOR. IF VERNON, FOR, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WANTS TO BE A STANDALONE AROUND IT. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A BROADER ISSUE THAN THAN ONE TOWN. I THINK WE ALL SHOULD SUPPORT. A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO POINT TO THE CITY OF UTICA, WHICH I'M MOST FAMILIAR WITH, AND ALL OF GENESEE STREET, ALL OF HERKIMER ROAD, FALL UNDER WHAT WE CALL THE SCENIC AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT, WHICH IF YOU DO ANY PROPERTY CHANGES TO YOUR PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF A SCENIC AND HISTORIC BOARD AND TELL THEM WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, WHETHER IT'S SHINGLES, WHETHER IT'S COLORS, SIDING, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK THAT WAY BECAUSE PEOPLE SOMETIMES DO IT. AS LONG AS THEY GET AWAY WITH IT, THEY'RE KIND OF WALKED AWAY WITH. BUT IT WOULDN'T BE EXACTLY IF YOU DROVE HERKIMER ROAD AND THEN YOU DROVE GENESEE STREET FROM BEGINNING TO END, WHAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT AND SAY, OH GOSH, THIS IS SCENIC. THERE'S A WALGREENS THERE, THERE'S A STEWART'S THERE. THERE'S BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, OLD AND NEW. SO SCENIC AND HISTORIC. ALTHOUGH INSIDE YOUR MIND YOU MAY SEE THIS PANACEA OF WONDERFUL BUILDINGS ISN'T ALWAYS THE CASE. AND SOMETIMES HISTORY ITSELF IS ACTUALLY NOT AS PRETTY AS YOU'D LIKE IT TO BE. AND I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT RIGHT HERE. AS FAR AS POLITICAL SIGNAGE GOES, I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A RULE THAT NO POLITICAL SIGNS ARE ALLOWED ANYWHERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF GARBAGE THAT ANYBODY DOES. IT'S THE WORST SIGN POLLUTION YOU HAVE ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF CALL TO MY COLLEAGUE A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT HOME RULE AND WHAT DOESN'T AFFECT OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, WHAT DOES AFFECT OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY, BECAUSE I HEARKEN BACK TO A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE HAD A LARGE SEWER TAX INCREASE. AND I ASKED, CAN YOU DEFER TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SITTING ON THE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM, THE 9 OR 10 OF US? IT WAS AT THE TIME, AND HOWEVER THEY VOTE, EVERYONE ELSE VOTE WITH IT BECAUSE THAT DIDN'T IMPACT YOU AND VERNON DIDN'T IMPACT YOU IN THE NORTH COUNTRY. IT DIDN'T IMPACT A LOT OF PEOPLE IMPACTED. THE PEOPLE ON THE SYSTEM WERE PAYING OUT OF THEIR POCKETS A LOT MORE IN THE SYSTEM. AND I WAS REBUKED ON THAT. I SAID, NO, WE'RE ALL GOING TO VOTE AS BLACK BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTY. THIS TOO AFFECTS THE ENTIRE COUNTY. IT'S HOW WE ARE LOOKED AT FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD IN WHAT ARE WE STOPPING AND WHETHER WE'RE STOPPING THINGS FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS AND THE REASONS THAT YOU STATE OR WE'RE STOPPING THINGS FOR OTHER REASONS, IT'S GOING TO BE LOOKED AT POORLY AS HISTORY JUDGES YOU. AND I THINK THAT THE IMPORTANT THING THAT WE NEED TO DO IS HONOR THIS, AS STATED VERY ELOQUENTLY BY OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND HONOR THE HISTORY THAT HAPPENED HERE. ALL DUE RESPECT, I'VE DRIVEN UP AND DOWN ROUTE FIVE IN VERNON FOR A LOT OF YEARS, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THE CASINO AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT HASN'T CHANGED A LOT IN 30 YEARS. IT HASN'T CHANGED A LOT IN 50 YEARS, AND A LOT OF THESE PLACES HAVEN'T DONE THAT. AND GENESEE STREET HASN'T CHANGED A LOT IN 30 YEARS OR 50 YEARS. THE HISTORY ITSELF IS GOING TO BE THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE THERE. AND I CAN'T BELIEVE I'M SAYING I AGREE WITH GEORGE JOSEPH, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE THERE LONG AFTER I PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE. THE THE, THE THEY TALK ABOUT US. BUT THAT HISTORY IS GOING TO BE HERE. WE ARE, YOU KNOW, 100 YEARS IN THE LIFE OF A CITY OR A COUNTY OR A COUNTRY THAT JUST CELEBRATED 20 YEARS. IT'S A BLINK OF AN EYE. AND WHEN WE START TO FORGET THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED AND WHY THEY HAPPENED AND HOW THEY HAPPENED, AND THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES THAT PUT THEM OUT THERE, THAT MADE THEM HAPPEN, IT DOESN'T BODE WELL FOR OUR FUTURE GENERATIONS THAT WE TRY TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S ALL I, SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, CHAD, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU PERSONALLY FOR LET'S I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO VERNON'S SIDE, BUT IN KIRKLAND I'VE ALWAYS SHIVERED THE SEA ON ONE SIDE. THERE'S NO TELEPHONE POLES, THERE'S NO TREES, AND IT. LOT. I HATE TO THROW DARTS AT MY OWN DISTRICT, BUT IT'S NOT THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CORRIDOR THERE IS IN ONEIDA COUNTY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE [00:50:07] ROUTE FIVE, WHICH WAS THE OLD HISTORIC IROQUOIS ROAD. IT GOES BACK BEFORE WE WERE EVEN HERE AS COLONISTS. THAT WAS TREE LINED. IT WAS A TRAIL THROUGH THE WOODS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE BEAUTIFICATION HAPPEN ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AND THE RIGHT WAYS WITH NATURE'S BEAUTY. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT KIND OF IDEAS YOU HAVE IN THAT REGARD. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MIXED USE IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL USE HOMES. HOW DO YOU NEGOTIATE? WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO TO BEAUTIFY THIS TRAIL TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING FOR THE EYESIGHT? SURE. AND THAT IS A GREAT â– QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY SHOWING THE HARRIET TUBMAN BYWAY IN REAL TIME IN ACTION RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT COMMUNITIES SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS THEIR BYWAY, AS THE BYWAY GOES THROUGH THEIR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND SO I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING AROUND SCENIC, SO JUST TO COMMENT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT AND GO BACK DIRECTLY TO YOUR QUESTION, THE SCENIC BYWAY IS THE NAME OF THE PROGRAM, BUT THEY HAVE THE INTRINSIC QUALITIES THROUGHOUT, AND WE ARE THE HARRIET TUBMAN BYWAY IS HISTORIC. THAT IS THE THE INTRINSIC QUALITY THAT IT FOLLOWS. AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT AND IT'S BEEN SAID A LITTLE BIT ALREADY, HARRIET TUBMAN'S JOURNEY, FREEDOM SEEKERS JOURNEYS, THOSE WERE VERY DIVERSE THROUGHOUT NEW YORK STATE. THIS FULL ROUTE IS 550 MILES. AND TRAVELERS OF THE BYWAY, WHETHER THEY JUST GO A FEW MILES OR ALL 550 OR IN PARTS, OR THEY MAKE PILGRIMAGES HERE, ARE GOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES. AND ALONG THE WAY, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE LANDSCAPES AND AREAS THAT ARE VERY SIGNIFICANT. HARRIET TUBMAN TOOK FOOTSTEPS RIGHT THERE, AND THEY HAVE MAYBE THAT EXPERIENCE AT A MUSEUM OR A SPECIFIC SITE OR PARK ALONG THE WAY. THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE THE REGULAR TRAVEL EXPERIENCES. THEY NEED HOTELS TO SLEEP IN. THEY NEED TO FUEL UP FOR GAS. IF THEY'RE DOING A LONG TRIP, THEY MIGHT EVEN NEED A HAIRCUT. THEY NEED TO FIND ALL OF THOSE RESOURCES. SO I THINK A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE MORE RURAL SPACES, I MEAN, WE GO CITY, SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL, RURAL RESIDENTIAL, AS YOU WERE SAYING. AND ALL OF THAT IS PART OF THIS JOURNEY TO TELL THAT THAT FULL STORY. AND SO THE WAY WE LOOK AT THAT IS THAT THAT THOSE ARE RESOURCES FOR THE COMMUNITIES AND FOR THE VISITORS, THE TOURISTS, AND EVEN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE TRAVELING AS TOURISTS, LET'S SAY. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF PUT THAT OUT THERE. BUT TO YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, THAT'S THE KIND OF STEWARDSHIP AND DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WOULD BE EXCITED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT. AND THAT'S THE THING, YOU KNOW, WITH 176 MUNICIPALITIES, EACH ONE IS DIFFERENT. EACH ONE STORY IS DIFFERENT, HOW IT'S OPERATED AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AND WHAT THE DESIRES ARE FOR, WHAT THIS BYWAY COULD DO IN THEIR COMMUNITY. THE LEVERAGE OF FUNDS POSSIBILITIES IS IMMENSE. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED $100,000 THROUGH THE BLACK LEGISLATIVE TASK FORCE JUST ABOUT A MONTH AGO TO DO MORE WORK ON THIS. THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT. A COMMUNITY SAYS, WE WANT TO MATCH THE SCENIC QUALITY OF A SCENIC BYWAY, SO WE WANT TO PLANT MORE TREES. AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT. OUR TEAM AND, AND EVERYBODY WHO'S INVOLVED IN THE BYWAY WORK TO HELP LEVERAGE FUNDS TO DO THAT, TO HELP SUPPORT COMMUNITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES THAT WANT TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S MY LONG ANSWER TO YES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT. CAN I ASK ONE FOLLOW UP? SURE. YEAH. SO IF YOU DRIVE INTO SKINNY ATLAS, NEW YORK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH FARM COUNTRY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HIT BEAUTIFUL SKINNY ATLAS AND IT'S TREE LINED. NOW, LET'S SUPPOSE YOU HAD A BUSINESS ON THE MAIN CORRIDOR THAT WAS GOING TO THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RETIRE. AND THERE WAS A BUSINESS THAT WAS THRIVING, LET'S SAY A RESTAURANT NOW IN SKINNY ATLAS RIGHT NOW, I IMAGINE THAT WITH THE PROPER WORKINGS WITH THE TOWN GOVERNMENT AND THE THE TOWN BOARD, THAT ZONES, THEY COULD PROBABLY HAVE AN ACQUISITION OF TITLE AND BUILD AN EXPANSION OF THE RESTAURANT. OR IS THIS GOING TO PRECLUDE OR PREVENT COMMERCE IN TERMS OF REAL PROPERTY OWNERSHIP AND HOW THINGS COULD BE DIVVIED UP IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP? NOT AT ALL THIS. THERE'S NO OWNERSHIP ISSUES HERE. I THINK IT'S AS YOUR ATTORNEY JUST SHARED, IT IS IT IS VERY DIRECT AND CLEAR THAT IT IS JUST NO OFF PREMISE SIGNAGE, AKA BILLBOARDS THAT CAN GO ON THE PROPERTY. AND IF WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC IN MORE RURAL AREAS, BILLBOARDS, AS WE TYPICALLY DEFINE THEM, CAN BE 600FT BACK. BUT STILL, I KEEP DOING THAT STILL ON THE ROADWAY. A LOT OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU HAD SHARED, I THINK ALMOST ALL OF THEM, THAT'S NOT EXACTLY ACCURATE, BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE FALL UNDER TEMPORARY SIGNAGE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, NOT A PERMANENT BUILT STRUCTURE THAT CAN'T BE CHANGED. ALSO, ANY PERMANENT BILLBOARDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. SO THOSE ARE NO, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH ANYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE. SO YEAH, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROPERTY [00:55:01] OWNERSHIP OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, OR ANYTHING RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISING FARM STANDS BECAUSE THOSE ARE TEMPORARY SIGNAGE, COMMUNITY AND WAYFINDING AS WELL. WAYFINDING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, OVER HERE IN TERMS OF OFFICIAL SIGNAGE, THAT'S ALL ACCEPTABLE AS WELL. SO IT'S ONLY PERTAINING TO THE BILLBOARDS. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I WOULD SAY IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS WAS ALSO VOTED ON IN THIS COUNTY. THE BILLBOARDS TWICE FOR THE OTHER BYWAYS THAT WERE VOTED IN. SO HAVE YOU HAD ANY MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY VOTED THIS DOWN ALONG THE WAY? THE TOWN OF VERNON DID LAST YEAR. AND ALSO, JUST TO SAY REALLY QUICK ON THAT FRONT AS WELL. SO JAN DID ATTEND THAT LAST YEAR, AND I HAD REACHED OUT FOR FOLLOW UP TO HOLD A MEETING AND TO TALK WITH THE SUPERVISOR. AND THAT WAS DECLINED TO ME LAST YEAR. AND SO I WAS HOPING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. I STILL AM. I WOULD I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LIKE TO AND ALSO THEN JUST TO SAY THE OTHER TOWN THAT DECLINED IS THE TOWN OF AURELIUS, WHICH IS IN CAYUGA COUNTY, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW ON THIS SIMILAR ISSUE. BUT AS STATED, WE WANT TO KEEP THIS ORIGINAL PLAN ROUTE INTACT. DOT IS EXPECTING US TO DO SO AS WELL, BUT IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE AND WE WILL WORK AROUND. SO THIS IS EXACTLY THOSE MOMENTS WHERE OR TIME FRAME BECAUSE WE'RE ON OUR DEADLINE OF, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THIS ROUTE OR IF WE NEED TO REROUTE AROUND. AND THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE FOR THE TOWN OF VERNON AND THE TOWN OF AURELIUS AS WELL. BUT JUST IN TOTAL, 176 MUNICIPALITIES, AND WE HAVE 1313 LEFT TO GO. SO THE MATH ON THE FLIP MATH ON THAT IS THAT'S HOW MANY HAVE PASSED THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THIS TEMPLATE. I'M GOING TO HOLD QUESTIONS. I KNOW I'VE BEEN PUTTING OFF OUR COUNTY EXECUTIVE. SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL. AND I WEIGHED IN LAST NIGHT. YOU KNOW, ALMOST AS PASSIONATELY AS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DID. AND AS ELOQUENT AS THE ESTEEMED MINORITY LEADER DID AS WELL, JUST IN IN IN CLOSING THIS DISCUSSION, I'M OBVIOUSLY A 100%, 110% IN SUPPORT OF THIS. YOU KNOW, DO THE HISTORY. I'M A BIG HISTORY GUY WHEN IT COMES TO ESPECIALLY MOST IMPORTANTLY, ONEIDA COUNTY, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT THIS YEAR. AND IN IN EVERY YEAR, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE. THE OTHER THING IS, AND MR. JULIAN STATED IT, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, AS AS ONE OF MY PREDECESSORS USED TO TELL ME ALL THE TIME. GOVERNMENT IS POLITICS AND POLITICS IS GOVERNMENT, AND THERE AIN'T NO GETTING BEHIND OR BEYOND ANY OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND WHILE THE PUBLIC THINKS AT TIMES THAT THAT'S ALL THAT WE DO, I THINK THE VERY LAST THING WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IS WHETHER THIS IMPACTS POLITICAL SIGNAGE ON ANY HIGHWAY OR BYWAY. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MORE TOWNS, VILLAGES, CITIES INCLUDED, WHEN SIGNS APPEAR ON THOSE RIGHT OF WAYS THAT THEY TAKE THEM AND THROW THEM IN THE TRASH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY SHOULD GO. SO WE SHOULDN'T BE BASING THIS ANYTHING, ANY LEGISLATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ON POLITICAL SIGNS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. BUT I'VE ALSO SAT IN THIS CHAMBER NUMEROUS TIMES, AS YOU ALL HAVE, AND MANY HAVE HEARD ABOUT, WHEN YOU KNOW A SOLAR PROJECT IS COMING AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO RUIN THE LANDSCAPE OF, OF THIS, OF THIS GREAT LAND THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SCENIC BYWAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING TO PRESERVE IN DIFFERENT WAYS, NOT IMPACTING BUSINESS, NOT IMPACTING HOUSEHOLDS, NOT IMPACTING ANYONE'S RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT. IT'S ABOUT RECOGNIZING AND KEEPING, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT, YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO THE BEST EXTENT THAT WE CAN. AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THERE ARE BILLBOARDS, THERE ARE DIGITAL SIGNS, THERE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME PEOPLE LOOK AT SPOIL THE LANDSCAPE. IT'S, IT'S PART OF WHAT WE HAVE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I MEAN, WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HISTORY IN THIS COMMUNITY HISTORY THAT GOES BACK HUNDREDS OF YEARS AS WE'RE CELEBRATING. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I MEAN, THAT THIS COUNTY HAS BEEN IN THE FOREFRONT OF ALL THIS TO, TO, TO. AND I SAID THIS LAST NIGHT, THAT ONE TOWN, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE COUNTY OF ONEIDA. WE ACT AS A BODY FOR THIS COUNTY, FOR THIS GOVERNMENT. IF THAT GOVERNMENT CHOOSES OTHERWISE, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DISAGREE OR AGREE OR WHATEVER, BUT WE ARE THE COUNTY OF ONEIDA. WE SHOULD ACT AS A COUNTY. AND IT DOES. I DISAGREE, IT DOES IMPACT EVERY ONE OF THE LEGISLATORS AND EVERY ONE OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT IS LISTED ON THIS WALL AROUND THIS BODY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT GOES THROUGH THAT ROUTE. IT'S ABOUT ALL OF ONEIDA COUNTY. AND THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE. SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT. AND OUR ACTION SHOULD BE ABOUT THE COUNTY. THERE ARE THERE ARE NUMEROUS THINGS THAT WE DISAGREE WITH AND I DISAGREE WITH AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S THE [01:00:02] CITIES, WHETHER IT'S THE TOWNS, WHETHER IT'S THE VILLAGES, NOT MY ROLE. MY ROLE IS THE COUNTY AND IN THIS CASE, THE COUNTY OF ONEIDA STANDS WITH HISTORY AND STANDS IN IN TERMS OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE GROWTH AND FOR TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THE ABOVE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, TONY. SO JUST TO KEEP GOING ON THAT POINT, THE REASON I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY MUNICIPALITIES HAD SIGNED ON JUST TO SHOW YOU THE TO SPEAK TO EVERYBODY ABOUT THE BALANCE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE HOW MANY MUNICIPALITIES ARE ACTUALLY ON BOARD WITH THIS VERSUS THE THE ONES AND TWOS THAT ARE NOT. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THERE APPARENTLY ARE A LOT OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT AGREE WITH THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, ONE LAST FOLLOW UP IN VERNON, LET'S SUPPOSE THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT BE DOWN TO PETERBOROUGH ROAD OFF THE ROUTE FIVE TRACK. IF IF COULD THERE BE A SIGN? AND EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO APPEAL IT TO WHATEVER REGULATES THIS, HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS NEW BUSINESS DISTRICT, PETERBOROUGH ROAD, LET'S SAY. BECAUSE WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF VERNON WERE TO CONSENT TO THIS IDEA? ULTIMATELY, IF THEY WERE TO COME AROUND, THEY MIGHT REALIZE THAT WE STAND TO BENEFIT AND MAYBE WE COULD ACTUALLY GROW OUR TAX BASE DOWN TO PETERBOROUGH ROAD A LITTLE BIT. AND COULD YOU HAVE A SIGN WITH HOWEVER YOU GET IT PAST THE DIRECT, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE THE COURT, THEY'D COME BACK TO THE COURT OR IF THEY WANT TO, OR THEY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO TO REJOIN THE ROUTE. BUT LET'S SUPPOSE AS A GENERAL SIGN IN TERMS OF DIRECTION WITHIN THE TOWN, NEW BUSINESS DISTRICT OR WHATEVER, WHAT HAVE YOU, WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS ON THAT? SO THAT SIGNAGE IS MUNICIPAL AND IT'S ALSO WAYFINDING. SO THAT SIGN IS ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ADVERTISING A BUSINESS. EXACTLY. OKAY. SO WAYFINDING AND STUFF THAT AFFECTS THE MUNICIPALITY IS TOTALLY OPEN FOR DO ABILITY. YES. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE. ALL RIGHT. SO IF WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEATEN THIS SUFFICIENTLY, WE'LL MOVE TO A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. OPPOSED? YOU'RE UP THERE. I JUST DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE DID LAST TIME SHE WENT TO A HAND VOTE, NOT A VOICE VOTE. I WAS GOING TO COMMENT MYSELF, BUT I JUST LIKE TO PUT MY NAME ON HIS COMMENT. WASHBURN. MY NAME ON HER STAFF ROOM. THERE WAS AN AIRPORT, THOUGH. ALL RIGHT. SO PASSES. THANKS. THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING. MOTION TO ADJOURN. I SECOND IT. THANK YOU * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.