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JACKETS HERE TONIGHT AS WELL FOR GOVERNMENT APPS. THE FIRST DOCKET, 3019 LAW DEPARTMENT,
[a. 2026-3019 – COUNTY ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT HEAD – SCALZO RE: RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE STANDARDIZATION TO THOMSON REUTERS ENTERPRISE CENTRE GMBH/WEST PUBLISHING CORPORATION FOR EMPLOYEE USE FOR LEGAL RESEARCH, PEOPLE MAPPING, SKIP TRACING AND COMPANY INVESTIGATIONS ]
STANDARDIZATION RESOLUTION. LAW DEPARTMENT REQUEST AUTHORIZATION OF THE STANDARDIZATION TO THOMPSON. REUTERS. ENTERPRISE CENTER GMBH SLASH WEST PUBLISHING URGE PEOPLE MAPPING. SKIP TRACING AND COMPANY INVESTIGATIONS. THE COUNTY CURRENTLY USES BOTH OF THESE ENTITIES AND. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT? OH, MARY. MARY. ANGELA, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR. SO IT'S WESTLAW LEGAL RESEARCH PLATFORM THAT'S USED COUNTY WIDE THROUGHOUT ALL. HAD ACCESS TO IT. VARIOUS DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE ACCESS TO IT AS WELL AND JUST WANTED TO STANDARDIZE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. AFTER FIVE YEARS, THIS RESOLUTION WILL ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO FIND THE BEST PRICE FOR THE PRODUCT, BUT NOT HAVE TO GO OUT TO EVERY TIME. ADDITIONALLY, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REVOKE AT ANY TIME. MARY IS A WESTLAW BEST COMPETITION. NEXIS. LEXIS. IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AND IF WE CAN LEAVE ANY TIME, THAT'S A GOOD THING. BUT. AND OUR RECORDS ARE PUBLIC. DO THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS TYPE OF THING? I MEAN, THEY COULD CHECK TO SEE IF WE'RE MAKING THEM THE STANDARDIZED. WESTLAW BECAUSE. YEAH. AND WHAT WHAT'S THEIR COST IN THEIR CONTRACT. AND HOW MUCH DOES THAT BOIL DOWN TO PER YEAR? AND THAT'S THE LAW COUNTY LAW LIBRARY AS WELL. THAT'S ALL SERVICES AND ACCOUNTING. LIBRARY IS NOT ON OUR ON OUR.IT'S NOT. WITH THEM. SO THIS IS JUST FOR COUNTY. OH, COUNTY EMPLOYEES, NOT THE UNIFIED COURT SYSTEM. IT SEEMS THAT THE STATE OF NEW YORK, IF THEY WANT TO SAVE MONEY WITH THE LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS AND MARKETING, THEY SHOULD PROBABLY DO A CONTRACT. IT'S ALL TAXPAYER MONEY. BUT THAT'S. THAT ASIDE, I JUST I JUST OBVIOUSLY WANT TO ALWAYS PROTECT THE TAXPAYER AND SEE WHAT'S THE BEST FOR THE TAXPAYER. WELL, YOU COULD GET BACK TO ME. TOMORROW. THAT'S FINE. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. NO, NO NEED FOR NOW. YEAH. THANK YOU. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO. SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. THAT CARRIES SIX FIVE FINANCE,
[b. 2026-3065 – FINANCE DEPARTMENT HEAD – CARVELLI RE: APPROVAL OF THREE (3) REFUNDS AND ONE (1) CORRECTION TO VARIOUS ERRONEOUS TAX ASSESSMENTS]
PROPERTY REFUNDS AND CORRECTIONS. FINANCE SIX. CONSIDERATION OF THREE.PROPERTY TAX REFUNDS $1,006.13 AND ONE. CORRECTION $83.76. I SEE ANTHONY HERE THIS YEAR.
YEAH. ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? JUST THE AUCTION ONE OR THE CORRECTIONS. CORRECTIONS.
CORRECTIONS. CORRECTIONS. NO IT'S PRETTY STANDARD. IT'S A ONE. MISSING VETERANS EXEMPTION.
A COUPLE OF ERRONEOUS SEWER CHARGES AND ONE WHERE A HOUSE WAS DEMOLISHED. BUT THE THEY NEVER REDUCED THE ASSESSMENT ON IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I WILL SAY THAT THOSE THESE NUMBERS ARE FAR LOWER THAN THEY WERE IN PAST YEARS. YEAH. THE COUNTY RECORDS GET BETTER AND BETTER. PETER. THANKS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THAT. CARRIES. LAST
[c. 2026-3274 – FINANCE DEPARTMENT HEAD: CARVELLI RE: APPROVAL OF THE BIDS OFFERED AT THE MAY 23, 2026 PROPERTY AUCTION]
DOCKET 3274. FINANCE ONLINE. PROPERTY AUCTION BIDS. FINANCE REQUESTS APPROVAL OF THE BIDS RECEIVED IN THE MOST RECENT ONLINE AUCTION OF TAX DELINQUENT PROPERTIES. THE SALE ENDED MAY 23RD. THE AMOUNT OWED IN TAXES ON THE PARCELS WAS MORE THAN 105,000, WHILE THE HIGHEST BIDS TOTALED $279,375. THE INITIAL LIST HAD 409 PROPERTIES, WITH MOST OF THEM[00:05:02]
BEING REDEEMED PRIOR TO THE AUCTION'S CONCLUSION. SO THAT SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD TO. THIS IS WORKING WELL. AFTER THE HENNEPIN DECISION. SO A LOT OF WORK AND TAKES A LOT OF EXPERTISE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S VERY CHALLENGING NOW, BUT IT'S WORKING WELL AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE DRIVE THE BEST PRICE WE CAN WITH THE SERVICES THAT WE HAVE. SUPREME COURT JUST RULED ON THAT, THAT THEY WILL ACCEPT THE AUCTION BID AS THE BONA FIDE PRICE. BUT I THINK THE WAY WE DO IT, PRICES WERE DRIVING PRETTY, PRETTY GOOD. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. CHAD. TONY, I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION OF. PROPRIETY ON TAX SALES ARE NOT THE TAX SALE DEEDS JUST INVOLVING TAX PURPOSES ONLY, NOT LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT. THE METES AND BOUNDS ARE OF COURSES AND DISTANCES OR FILE MAP DESCRIPTIONS THAT ARE TYPICAL WITH A DEED. THE COUNTY GOES WITH THE TAX MAP DESCRIPTION. IS THAT THE ONLY WAY IT DEEDS OUT? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY. YEAH. THE CHALLENGE WITH THE FIFTH FLOOR RESEARCHERS AND TITLE COMPANIES AND LAWYERS IS THAT. THE MAPS AREN'T UP TO DATE. AND AND FOR EXAMPLE, I JUST CLOSED A MATTER IN SYLVAN BEACH WITH A NEW SURVEY BY MORE LAND SURVEYING WHERE I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE ORGANIZATION THAT DOES THE TAX MAPPING FOR THE COUNTY OF ONEIDA IS GOING TO GET AROUND TO IT. BUT THERE'S A GROSS DISPARITY BETWEEN THE TAX MAPS, REPRESENTATIONS OF THE PARCELS AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. ONE OTHER EXAMPLE I HAD IT WAS WITH THE CITY OF UTICA, WHEN THEY WERE STILL CONVEYING BY CITY MAPS AND NOT COUNTY MAP NUMBERS IS TWO PARCELS SIDE TO SIDE IN EAST UTICA. AND THIS. THIS PIECE OF THIS PERSON'S PROPERTY WAS.THEY BUILT A SWIMMING POOL. THEY BUILT A SWIMMING POOL ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. THEY WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO CONVEY THAT PIECE TO THE NEIGHBOR. AND THEN ONE OF THEM LOST IT TO TAXES. AND WE WERE BACK AT SQUARE ONE WITH A TITLE ISSUE. SO I GUESS MY MY WISH IS NOT SO MUCH THAT YOU'RE CONVEYING OUT BY TAX MAP NUMBER, BUT THERE'S THREE WAYS TO DO IT. ONE IS TO KEEP THE TAX MAPS UP TO DATE MORE PROMPTLY. SECOND ONE IS TO ATTACH A COPY OF THE CURRENT TAX MAP WITH THE DEED AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE DEED IN TERMS OF CURRENT STATUS, BECAUSE WHEN A NEIGHBOR SELLS PROPERTY TO A NEIGHBOR, OR IF THEY BUY PROPERTY AND ADD TO THEIR PARCEL, IT CHANGES. IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THE MAPS DON'T ALWAYS LINE UP, THE TAX MAPS DON'T LINE UP WITH THE TRUE DESCRIPTIONS THAT HISTORICALLY EXIST. AND JUST LIKE A SURVEYOR CANNOT CREATE RECORD TITLE A, THEY HAVE TO GO BY THE RECORD TITLE, NOT. THE SURVEYOR JUST CAN'T CREATE SOMETHING. THE COUNTY IS ONLY GIVING YOU A ESTIMATE. IT'S IT'S IT'S A, IT'S A GUIDE. AND, AND THE OTHER WAY TO DO IT IS TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE COUNTY'S REPRESENTATION OF THE PARCEL AND HAVE A DISCLAIMER AS TO THE EXACT COURSES DISTANCE, DIMENSION, LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. JUST DO A SHOTGUN EXCEPTION TO THAT EFFECT TO PUT THEM ON. NOTICE THAT THAT TAX MAP NUMBER, THE BOUNDARY LINES MIGHT NOT LINE UP WITH HER HISTORICAL RECORD TITLE THAT HAS COME DOWN THROUGH THE CHAIN OF TITLE TO THAT CURRENT OWNERSHIP. AND I JUST THINK THAT THAT JEFF KNOWS I'M HE USED TO WORK IN A TAX MAP DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I THINK THE COUNTY OVER DOESN'T RECOGNIZE AS A PROBLEM WITH WHEN WE'RE WORKING FOR THE PUBLIC ON THIS. AND NOW I DON'T WANT TO PUT SOMETHING NEW ON YOUR PLATE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE SUPREME COURT DECISION. THAT'S PROBLEM ENOUGH, BUT I JUST WIN THAT CAT. AND IF IF NOT, IF YOU WANT TO STILL CONTINUE TO CONVEY BY TAX MAP PARCEL NUMBERS TO MAYBE HAVE THE LAW DEPARTMENT PUT TOGETHER A ONE SENTENCE DISCLAIMER THAT THEY SHOULD STILL ASCERTAIN THE THE TRUE LEGAL DESCRIPTION. THAT'S THE PUBLIC RECORDS VERSION. WELL, I WOULD ASK THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE STANDARD LEGALLY, HASN'T IT? WELL, I YOU KNOW, I GUESS I NEED TO RESEARCH THAT FROM A. I KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD IS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION, YOU KNOW, THE BOUNDARY LINES AS REPRESENTED BY A TAX MAP PARCEL ARE NOT THE TRUE BOUNDARY LINES, BUT THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN AND THEY NEVER WILL BE. AND I THINK THAT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. AND I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO WEIGH HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN VERSUS
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THE COSTS THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN ATTEMPTING TO COME UP WITH A, A SURVEY TYPE DESCRIPTION AND ON COUNTY TAX SALE DEEDS, I THINK THE COST WOULD BE PROBABLY PROHIBITIVE.HOW ABOUT A INDICATION THAT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT LINE UP WITH THE REAL PROPERTY DESCRIPTION, OR HAVE THE TAX MAP PEOPLE WE CONTRACT WITH BE MORE TIMELY AND GET THROUGH THE FILE MAPS THAT THE SURVEYORS PRODUCE FOR PARCELS THAT ARE CHANGING HANDS. WE'RE WE'RE RIGHT IN A QUIET TIME RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE NEED FOR 4000 MORE HOMES BETWEEN NOW AND YEAR 2030, DOCTORS GOT TO HAVE 40,000. BUT I'LL QUIET DOWN. WE HAVE A LOT TO GET TO GET THROUGH HERE. WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. YOUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION, THE COMMISSIONER, GENEVIEVE, THE TAX MAPPING HAS BEEN MOVED AND CONSOLIDATED ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. YEAH, SO THAT'S UNDER THEIR PURVIEW. NOW IT'S THE SAME COMPANY BEING USED TO DO IT, BUT IT DOES FALL UNDER THEIR PURVIEW. YEAH, BUT I DO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND YES, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. BUT IT'S REALLY I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON WHO WHOEVER BUYS A PROPERTY AT AN AUCTION FOR A TAX SALE, GET IT SURVEYED. YEAH. AND IT SURVEYED THEMSELVES. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF PRETTY MUCH THE STANDARD ASSUMPTION THAT SOMEBODY SHOULD DO. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. WELL, ENOUGH SAID AT THIS POINT, AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE IT'S SORT OF DEALS WITH THE SALES. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IT'S ALWAYS TOUGH FOLLOWING. I SEE THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES ON HERE WHERE NEW YORK CONFERENCE OF SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS ARE THE BIDDERS. ARE THOSE GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE TAX ROLLS BECAUSE THE RELIGIOUS ENTITY. WHICH NUMBERS WHICH LOT NUMBERS TWO AND 28. I THINK THAT THEY THEY MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE EXEMPT. BUT THEY WERE EXEMPT TO BEGIN WITH. THEY WERE CORRECT. THEY WERE THE CHURCH BLESSING. THEY WERE THE CHURCH BEFORE THE BLESSED SACRAMENT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMENT FOR TONY? IS IT SAFE TO GO TO MY HOUSE WHEN I GET THERE? CLARK'S LEGISLATION, THAT'S NOT HIS LEGISLATION. THAT'S MARY FINNEGAN'S. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THAT'S CARRIED AS WELL. THANK YOU.
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* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.