Oct 02, 2025 Health and Human Services

WHATEVER THEY WANT. BRUISING. HE GOT A LOT OF MONEY. ALL RIGHT. WE BETTER GET THIS GOING.

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[a. 2025-1590 –  DFCS RE:  APPROVAL OF A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING – FIRST RENEWAL BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, ROME HOUSING AUTHORITY AND MOHAWK VALLEY HOUSING AND HOMELESS COALITION CONTINUUM OF CARE NY-518]

APPROVAL OF MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FOR THE FIRST RENEWAL BETWEEN THE ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES WITH ROME HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE MOHAWK VALLEY HOUSING AND THE HOMELESS COALITION, CONTINUUM OF CARE, NEW YORK. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT DOCKET? IT LOOKS PRETTY. I MEAN, I ACTUALLY DID HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ON THIS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING MAYBE ONE COULD DO GILMORE. MAYBE. JUST ON HOLD. WE'RE GOING TO HOLD. MAYBE THEY'RE COMING RIGHT NOW. OH, RIGHT. YOU'RE PUTTING 18 TO 24 YEAR OLD KIDS IN HOUSING, WHICH THAT'S. YEAH, KIND OF A TO THE PODIUM. COLLEEN OR MIKE, WHOEVER'S RIGHT ON TIME. COME ON IN. COME ON IN. WE STARTED WITHOUT YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT THAT'S. YEAH. I'M SO SORRY. THE RECORD SHOW. IT'S OKAY, IT'S OKAY. WE'LL WE'LL MAKE IT UP IN THE AIR AS MY PILOT. NO. IT'S ALRIGHT.

COLLEEN, WE'RE DOING DOCKET 25 159. OH, AND WE ARE THE ROME HOUSING AUTHORITY WHERE YOU'RE GETTING A RENEWAL MEMORANDUM FOR ONEIDA COUNTY WITH THE ROME AUTHORITY AND CONTINUUM CARE IN NEW YORK. AND WE DID HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. SO SO GO AHEAD. YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS START. OKAY.

CAN YOU JUST WALK US THROUGH HOW THIS ACTUALLY WORKS? I MEAN, AS JUST SOMEONE WHO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE DEALING WITH ROME HOUSING AUTHORITY AND NOT AN ACTUAL TYPICAL LANDLORD, BUT I MEAN, YOU'RE IS THIS, AS I READ IT, SHOEHORNING 18 TO 24 YEAR OLD YOUTH, WHICH I'D NEVER THOUGHT 18 TO 24 WAS A YOUTH, BUT I GUESS IT'S BEEN RECLASSIFIED AS YOUTH NOW. AND IT'S IT'S DIFFICULT ENOUGH WITH A REGULAR TYPICAL TENANT, ESPECIALLY OF THAT AGE GROUP.

SO THIS IS FUNDING THIS THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. IT'S TARGETED FOR YOUTH TO HAVE HOUSING INSECURITY AND THEY REALLY TARGET KIDS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE CHILD WELFARE SYSTEM. THAT'S HOW WE COME IN. AND BASICALLY IT'S JUST A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'LL REFER YOUTH. DO YOU KNOW, ARE YOU FROM OUR SYSTEM OR WE'RE AWARE OF AND ALSO THAT WE'LL PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES LIKE WHATEVER WE HAVE FOR DSPS TO SUPPORT THEM. AND IT PROVIDES CASE MANAGEMENT AND RENTALS. SO IT'S ACTUALLY IT'S AN EFFORT TO HELP THE USER GET TO INDEPENDENT LIVING, INDEPENDENT LIVING SKILLS. AND IT'S TARGETED BECAUSE A LOT OF KIDS WHO ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, NOT A FOSTER CARE, HAVE SOME OF THE AS, AS TENANTS DO. THEY HAVE CERTAIN BENCHMARKS THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN. DO THEY HAVE TO LIKE STAY STAY OFF OF DRUGS? DO THEY HAVE TO STAY TRYING TO BE EMPLOYED OR BEING EMPLOYED? DO THEY HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THAT OR. NO, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S A CLEAR YES, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE CASE MANAGEMENT, PROBLEMS. YEAH, THERE'S RULES.

RIGHT. BUT I'VE DEALT WITH CASE MANAGEMENT BEFORE WHERE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, LIKE SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, OH, THIS PERSON IS IN A REHAB, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THEY JUST GOT OUT OF REHAB AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE GREAT, AND I'M THEIR CASE MANAGER. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PARADE OF PEOPLE RUNNING IN AND OUT OF THEIR APARTMENTS. AND THEY SAY, YOU CALL THEIR CASE MANAGER. THEY SAY, WELL, YEAH, WELL, WE DROPPED THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T STAY BY THE GUIDELINES OF THE PROGRAM. SO THERE IS NO GUIDELINES TO THE PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN. UTILIZING RENTAL ASSISTANCE. I'M LAUGHING BECAUSE I'VE HEARD ALL THIS BEFORE. AND BY THE WAY, YOU'RE NOT COMING EITHER. BUT IT'S LIKE THEY HELP WITH THE RENTAL SYSTEM. THEY HELP WITH LIKE RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND GETTING SET UP IN THE APARTMENT.

RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN THEY CASE MANAGEMENT TO HELP WITH EDUCATION AND JOBS SO THEY CAN CONTINUE THE HOUSING. BUT I WOULD SAY YES. I MEAN THERE'S CONSEQUENCES. OKAY. SO IF THEY SHOULD SAY FOR ANY REASON LAPSE OFF THE PROGRAM AND NOT BE ABLE TO BE SUPPORTED BY THE PROGRAM, THEN IS IT INCUMBENT UPON YOU AS THE HEALTH OR AS THE SOCIAL SERVICES, OR IS IT INCUMBENT UPON THE ACTUAL LANDLORD THIS BY BEING ROME HOUSING AUTHORITY TO START THE EVICTION PROCESS TO GET THEM REMOVED? HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I'LL FIND OUT. OKAY, YOU COULD FIND OUT. THAT'D BE GREAT TO IDENTIFY THE SERVICES AND TO PROVIDE THE BACKUP SERVICES, EVEN LIKE HELPING APPLY FOR MEDICAID OR THAT KIND. AGREE. BUT IT IS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE

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SO AFTER 36 MONTHS, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? WHAT WHAT SERVICES ARE IN PLACE AFTER THAT? DO THEY GET TO STAY THERE FOREVER OR ARE WE MOVING THEM FOREVER? I THINK THE HOPE IS THAT WITHIN THE 36 MONTHS, YOU WILL SUPPORT WHETHER SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO COLLEGE, SOME OF THEM WHAT THE ARMY ARE WORKING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BUDGET CLASSES, THEY HAVE THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPE OF PROGRAMS OPEN. BUT AFTER 36 MONTHS, YOU'RE BRINGING LIMIT TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN PERMANENT HOUSING ON THEIR OWN. SO IS HUD INVOLVED IN THIS IN ANY TYPE OF WAY? BECAUSE HUD, I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE AND I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK THAT WE START THESE PROGRAMS AND WE HAVE GUIDELINES AND WE HAVE STRICT THINGS AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THIS.

BUT THEN HUD COMES IN AND SAID THAT IT'S NOT LAWFUL. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE GUIDELINES IN HERE. YEAH. BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HUD COMES IN AND SAYS YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM DO SERVICES? YOU YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM FOLLOW THESE GUIDELINES BECAUSE THEY HAVE RIGHTS. ARE THERE ANY CONTINGENCIES FOR THAT? WELL, TRUTHFULLY, WE CAN'T EITHER. I YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT HAVE REFERRED SIX YOUTH, AND THERE MIGHT ONLY BE TWO WHO ACCEPT THE PARAMETERS OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS. I MEAN, IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM. THEY HAVE TO BE WILLING TO DO IT, AND THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.

AND THEY'RE ADULTS. I MEAN, THEY, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY, I MEAN, 18 TO 24, YOU CAN'T YOU YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM DO THIS. IT'S MORE OF A SERVICE FOR THOSE YOUTH WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM IT.

AND THERE ARE SOME WHO DON'T MAKE IT. AND WE DO REFER YOUTH WHO DON'T WON'T DO IT. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY REFUSE IT. AND ACTUALLY, THIS IS ANOTHER, I THINK, DON'T QUOTE ME, BUT I BELIEVE NEW HARTFORD. THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT HAVE A SIMILAR PROGRAM. AND IF ANYTHING, IT'S BEEN HARD TO GET YOUTH TO. IT'S BEEN HARD. YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN HARD FOR THEM TO MAINTAIN THE REFERRALS. IT'S THE OTHER PROBLEM. WE DON'T GET ENOUGH YOUTH WHO ARE WILLING TO DO IT BECAUSE THERE ARE EXPECTATIONS. THERE'S OVERSIGHT, THERE'S CASE MANAGEMENT.

THERE'S SOME OF THOSE PIECES. BUT FOR THE YOUTH WHO DO, I THINK THERE'S BEEN GOOD OUTCOMES BECAUSE A LOT OF THE YOUTH, SOME OF THEM ARE, LIKE I SAID, IN SCHOOL OR IN A TRADE.

AND AND IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM FOR THOSE YOUTH WHO DON'T HAVE OTHER LIKE A LOT OF TIMES ADULT SUPPORT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIDS ARE, YOU KNOW, KIDS WHO GROW UP WITH, YOU KNOW, PARENTS AND THEY HAVE A PROBLEM EVEN IT'S SILLY. ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THEY USE WITH ME IS IF YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU KNOW, THIS THING CLOGS OR SOMETHING LIKE, WHO DO YOU KNOW? MY KIDS CALL ME OR CALL LIKE, WHAT DO I DO? OR THEY DID. THEY'RE OLD NOW. BUT BECAUSE BUT YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD. AND THESE KIDS DON'T HAVE THAT. A LOT OF TIMES OUR KIDS END UP CALLING THE CASEWORKERS THAT THEY KNEW FROM MANY YEARS AGO. SO, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S SOME OF THOSE THINGS TOO, LIKE INDEPENDENT LIVING. HOW DO YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU DO THESE THINGS? BUT A LOT OF YOUTH, YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING, WE HAVE THE PROBLEM OF GETTING YOUTH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. THAT'S THE. YEAH. WHAT TYPE OF APARTMENTS DO THEY HAVE? ARE THEY LIKE LIKE MADISON PLAZA OR LIBERTY GARDENS OR DO THEY SHARE AN APARTMENT? HAVE ROOMMATES? DO THEY? THEY CAN. I THINK THEY CAN DO ANY OF THAT. LIKE, I THINK THEY TRY TO WORK WITH THE YOUTH TO IDENTIFY ONE THAT WILL WORK. SOME OF THE YOUTH MIGHT HAVE A JOB. AND OF COURSE, THE IDEA IS YOU TRY TO GET THEM INTO AN APARTMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE AND AFFORDABLE PAST THE POINT OF TIME WHERE YOU'RE GIVING THEM THE ALLOCATION TO HELP SUPPORT THEM, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THEY CAN DO AND THEY MIGHT HELP THEM APPLY FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND GET ON THE WAIT LIST FOR, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT DO THAT KIND OF THING, TOO, FOR LONG TERM BASED APARTMENT MAYBE. YEAH, THEY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. THEY COULD LOOK AT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF RESOURCES. YEAH. IT'S REALLY UNIQUE TO EACH KIDS BECAUSE I THINK EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERY SITUATION IS SO DIFFERENT, WHETHER THEY'RE WORKING, WHETHER THEY HAVE AN INCOME, WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO SCHOOL, I MEAN, THAT CHANGES THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT A LOT OF AVAILABLE APARTMENTS IN ROME NOW THAT ARE WE STRUGGLE WITH THAT EVERY DAY. THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A, THERE'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE OF LOW INCOME, EVEN MODERATE INCOME. I MEAN, HOUSING IS VERY IT'S VERY TIGHT.

HERE IT IS. SO MR. JULIAN HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. I JUST HAD A FOLLOW UP QUESTION. SO

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AND THEN AS YOU GET A JOB AND AS YOU'RE WHATEVER, YOU COULD CLOSE BEFORE THREE YEARS IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO KEEP IT. THREE YEARS LIKE THREE YEARS IS THE. SO THAT'S WHAT EVEN OUR HOUSING PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, OUR INTERNAL HOMES PROGRAM, THAT'S WHAT WE DO. LIKE WE WE MIGHT START AND PUT SOMEONE IN AN APARTMENT, BUT THEN AS WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM EMPLOYMENT AND TRYING TO GET WHATEVER, YOU START REDUCING THE AMOUNT YOU'RE GIVING THEM SO THAT THEY BECOME INDEPENDENT. SO I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THOUGH, BUT IF YOU GOT TO THREE YEARS AND THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL, RIGHT. THAT STUCK WITH THEM ANOTHER SIX MONTHS AT LEAST. YEAH OKAY. THAT'S IT. DID YOU HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOMELESSNESS? YEAH. ARE YOU SEEING ANY WORD WHEN THEY ESTABLISH A RESIDENCE THERE.

AND THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR 36 MONTHS OR WHATEVER, ARE YOU SEEING AN ISSUE WITH THEM ESTABLISHING, LIKE, SQUATTER'S RIGHTS AND NOW THEY CAN'T GET THEM OUT OF THERE? NO. BECAUSE HONESTLY, WE HAVE WE HAVEN'T HAD WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THERE. WE HAVEN'T. I'M BEING TOTALLY TRANSPARENT. WE'VE HAD A HARD TIME GETTING USED TO ACCEPT IT. SO RIGHT NOW I THINK WE'VE MADE LIKE THIS YEAR WE'VE MADE THREE REFERRALS AND SO FAR NONE OF THE YOUTH, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY AREN'T GOING TO DO IT. SO IF ANYTHING THE MONEY'S THERE. IT'S KIND OF SAD BECAUSE IN A WAY THERE'S THIS MONEY THERE TO HELP THESE YOUTH. WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS COME OUT OF FOSTER CARE WHO NEED HELP WITH INDEPENDENT LIVING SKILLS. THEY NEED THAT HELP THEY DON'T HAVE.

AND THIS IS A GREAT PROGRAM. IF YOU KNOW, IF THEY COULD DO IT AND IT COULD REALLY HELP THEM GET ON THEIR FEET, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH KIDS THAT WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO WE'RE HAVING THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM. SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET OKAY. SO I YEAH OKAY. YEAH.

WELL, JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION. JUST BECAUSE I'M INTERESTED IN THIS, IT'S 18 TO 24 AND THE PROGRAM LAST THREE YEARS. CAN SOMEONE GET ON IT 24 AND STAY TO 27 OR HOW'S THAT GO. OR AT 24 YOU GOT TO GET OFF THE BUS I THINK 24. YEAH. BUT I'M GOING TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DIDN'T ASK THAT THREE YEARS. THAT COULD BE 27. AND I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK IT'S BETWEEN THE AGES OF 18 AND 24, I'M PRETTY SURE. BUT I'LL DOUBLE CHECK THAT BECAUSE HONESTLY, I DIDN'T ASK IT LIKE THAT. SO YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS DOCKET. SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED.

[b. 2025-1824- DFCS RE:     APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND NEW YORK STATE, THROUGH ITS OFFICE OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES]

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THAT'S A GRANT. SO THAT'S YEAH I LIKE THAT ONE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[c. 2025-1299 – DFCS RE:     APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO A PURCHASE OF SERVICES AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND THE CITY OF ROME  ]

AND THE OTHER PIECE IS WE'RE JUST STARTING, THIS IS TRAINING. WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE OUR CASEWORKERS, THEY'RE GOING TO TRAIN OUR CASEWORKERS, BASICALLY WHEN THEY'RE GOING INTO HOME. WHAT TO LOOK FOR. YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY MAKES SOMETHING RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A CODES REFERRAL. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF THINGS TO LOOK FOR WHATEVER, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN AND OUT OF THE HOMES ALL THE TIME. SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN FUNCTIONS OF WHAT THEY DO.

AND THAT DOES HAPPEN LIKE MAYBE IN THE PAST WHAT'S HAPPENED? WHAT IS THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT LIKE PLUMBING'S NOT WORKING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR ELECTRICITY? SOMETIMES THEY'LL SEE LIKE SOMETIMES YOU'LL HAVE WIRES HANGING FROM THE CEILING. YOU MIGHT HAVE MOLD. YOU MIGHT HAVE. YEAH. DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY SEE, FLOORBOARDS THAT ARE LOOSE SOMETIMES GOING INTO A RESIDENCE OR UPSTAIRS, YOU KNOW, THE RAILS ARE HANGING OR I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE POOR HOUSING SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ISSUES. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S PARTLY THAT TO HELP THE CASEWORKERS IDENTIFY, IT'S ALSO TO HELP IF, YOU KNOW, TO HELP THE FAMILIES, IF IN FACT, IT WOULD HELP TO HAVE A CODES INSPECTION TO HAVE SOMETHING CORRECTED. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE ON THIS DOCKET. BUT IT'S VOLUNTARY.

I MEAN, THE FAMILIES HAVE TO AGREE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T THE FAMILIES HAVE TO AGREE THAT. NO, NO, YOU CAN'T BRING CODES IN. AND, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY HAS TO AGREE. BUT IF YOU GO TOGETHER, A LOT OF TIMES WE FIND THEY DO. I MEAN, THEY'RE MORE RECEPTIVE SOMETIMES. YEAH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET FROM THE COMMITTEE? SEEING. ALL IN FAVOR,

[d. 2025-1805 – DFCS RE:     APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND CNYHHN, INC.]

THANK YOU. MY NUMBER'S WRONG TODAY. SO THIS IS CENTRAL NEW YORK HEALTH HOMES. THEY SUBCONTRACT WITH CONNECTED COMMUNITY SCHOOLS AND ALSO WITH SAFE SCHOOLS IN UTICA. AND IT'S OUR RISE PROGRAM THAT PRIMARILY WORKS WITH YOUTH WHO ARE AT RISK OR HAVE ALREADY ENTERED THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM. SO IT COULD BE PINS OR JDC. YOUTH HAS ENOUGH SLOTS FOR 75 YOUTH AT ANY GIVEN TIME. THIS ONE IS 72% REIMBURSED. IT'S AT A IT'S A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT, SO IT'S 798,058. IF I DID THAT RIGHT. ANNUAL COST THEY PROVIDE THEY HAVE 24 OVER SEVEN. IF THERE'S A YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A 24 OVER SEVEN ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, ACCESS A WORKER. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE TO THE FAMILIES. IT DOES OFFER MENTORSHIP RECREATIONAL

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WE TRY TO LOOK AT WE GET A REPORT, YOU KNOW, WE GET A REPORT EVERY MONTH. AND THEN WE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE METRICS THAN WE HAVE IT. BUT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IN AUGUST, YOU KNOW, WE MEASURE HOW A COUPLE OF THE THINGS ARE HOW HOW WELL DID THEY ENGAGE FAMILIES. SO LIKE IN AUGUST IT WAS 82%. WE TRIED TO LOOK AT HOW MANY KIDS, YOU KNOW, GET VIOLATED IF THEY HAVE ACTUALLY AN ORDER. AND ACTUALLY IN AUGUST WAS A GOOD MONTH, IT WAS ZERO. WE LOOK AT HOW MANY CPS REPORTS COME IN ON THOSE CASES.

WELL, THEY'RE WELL RISES INVOLVED. THAT'S A LITTLE TRICKIER BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU CAN GET A LOT OF YOU CAN GET A LOT OF REPORTS ON ONE INCIDENT. YOU CAN IT DOESN'T A LOT OF REPORTS. BUT ON ONE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, SO WE TRY TO TEASE THAT OUT AND LOOK, THEY LOOK AT HOW MANY KIDS STAY IN SCHOOL THAT WE CAN KEEP THEM ENGAGED IN SCHOOL. THAT'S ONE OF OUR METRICS. AND OVERALL THEY'VE DONE REALLY WELL. IT'S A YOU KNOW, I SAY FAIRLY NEW BECAUSE WHEN PROGRAMS COME, YOU KNOW, SERVICE PROGRAMS, IT IT REALLY DOES TAKE A FEW YEARS FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, FOR ANYBODY TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT THE REGULATIONS AND THE LAWS AND TO GET THE WHOLE THING. SO I THINK THAT THEY'VE DONE A FAIRLY GOOD JOB OF, YOU KNOW, MANAGING THESE YOUTH. I THINK RIGHT NOW THEIR CENSUS IS 65. I THINK THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW, 65 IS THAT THEY'RE UNDER RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE LIKE TEN OPENINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT. I MEAN, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO HAVE A FEW OPENINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS GETTING CASES AND AND ALSO THE FAMILY COURT ORDERS KIDS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ORDER FAMILIES INTO THESE PROGRAMS, LIKE IN ORDER TO MAKE AN ORDER FOR THE KID. JUVENILE JUSTICE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN CHILD WELFARE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S HARDER TO ENGAGE THE PARENTS. SO THAT'S A BIG METRIC FOR US BECAUSE IT'S MORE ON THE IDENTIFIED KID. YOU KNOW, THE CHILD'S THE ONE THAT'S PERCEIVED AS HAVING THE PROBLEM, WHICH ISN'T ALWAYS THE SITUATION IT CAN BE. BUT YOU NEED THE FAMILY ENGAGEMENT TO CORRECT THE PROBLEM. WHEREAS CHILD WELFARE, A LOT OF TIMES YOU'RE FOCUSING, YOU KNOW, A CHILD COULD HAVE A PROBLEM, BUT YOU'RE FOCUSING ON THE PARENTS, RIGHT? SO THE ORDERS. WHEREAS IN JUVENILE JUSTICE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GET THE FAMILIES ENGAGED. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, BEEN A GOOD THING WITH THIS, PARTICULARLY WITH THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT PARTNERSHIP. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. GO AHEAD CHRIS. I JUST I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE I WAS LATE. YOU WERE THREE MINUTES LATE. I WANT THE RECORD TO SHOW THAT I WAS I WAS I'M JUST CURIOUS. IS THERE ANY EFFORT AT ALL PLACED ON THE OTHER END. SO THIS IS THE RESULT. AND HERE'S FOR ALMOST $4 MILLION. AND THIS IS ONEIDA COUNTY THERE 62 COUNTIES IN NEW YORK STATE. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH MONEY IS ALLOTTED FOR THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE, PARENTING CLASSES FOR PEOPLE? GIVE THEM SOME TYPE OF AN INCENTIVE. TEACH PARENTS, OR TEACH EVEN SINGLE PARENTS HOW TO PARENT. I MEAN, YEAH, THAT SEEMS TO BE MORE PROACTIVE THAN JUST WORKING ON THIS END OF IT. IS THERE ANYTHING IN PLACE AT ALL WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GIVE SOMEONE A LOW INCOME PERSON, HEY, LISTEN, YOU COME AND TAKE THIS PARENTING CLASS AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET VOUCHERS FOR WHATEVER. YEAH. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE BETTER SPENT MONEY THAN DOING IT ON THE OTHER END. EVEN LATER ON INCARCERATION AND PRISON AND ALL THAT. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST YOU'RE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND I THINK WE'RE DOING BETTER AT THAT. BUT TO KIND OF ANSWER THE QUESTION, THAT'S SAD. THE WAY OUR FUNDING WORKS, THE YOUTH WE WORK WITH THAT WE GET REIMBURSED FOR, YOU HAVE TO SAY THEY'RE AT HIGH RISK OF PLACEMENT. SO YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT HIGHER END YOUTH, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS. THAT'S WHY WE GO FOR A LOT OF THE GRANTS AND STUFF BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET MONEY. WE HAVE VERY LIMITED FUNDS THAT ARE REALLY FLEXIBLE THAT WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, THE TRUE PREVENTIVE. THAT'S WHY WE WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY DOING REBUILD THE VILLAGE AND CONNECTED SCHOOLS.

THAT'S KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS WITH THAT. SO LIKE IN CONNECTED SCHOOLS NOW THEY'RE GOING TO START A PARENTING THEY ALREADY HAVE. THEY STARTED A LITERACY PROGRAM WHERE PARENTS BRING THEIR KIDS AND THEY DO IT RIGHT THERE AND IT'S VOLUNTEER. BUT IT'S BEEN GREAT. I MEAN, THEY'VE HAD SO MANY PEOPLE COMING, THEY CAN'T BELIEVE IT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO START A PARENTING THING LIKE AN OPEN KIND OF THING. YOU KNOW, PARENTS CAN COME AND MAKE IT LESS FORMAL, BUT THEY COME AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE THERE SPEAKING ON THINGS AND GIVING, YOU KNOW, ADVICE. AND WE'RE TRYING TO SUPPORT THAT. YEAH. AND SAME WITH SO WE'RE LOOKING A LOT MORE AT TRYING TO DO THOSE THINGS. AND YES, THEY HAVE INCENTIVES LIKE IF THEY COME THEY GIVE THEM A GIFT CARD FOR 20 BUCKS OR TO WALMART OR TO WHATEVER, AND THEY GET SOME OF THE INCENTIVES TO COME. SO WE DO NEED I MEAN, DEFINITELY WE NEED TO DO MORE OF THAT. I

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WE HAVE CIVIL SERVICE COME AND THEY TALK ABOUT ENTRY LEVEL JOBS THAT ARE OFFERED THROUGH THE COUNTY. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GAIN EMPLOYMENT AND AND THEN WE HAVE A JOB FAIR AT THE END AND WE HAVE COMMUNITY PEOPLE COME. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY AGENCIES THAT HIRE ENTRY LEVEL PEOPLE. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD SUCCESS. SO BUT AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO OPEN UP TO OUR CHILD WELFARE, TO OUR JUVENILE JUSTICE PARENTS, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT VOLUNTARY, BUT YOU GOT TO MAKE IT. I MEAN, YOU GOT TO MAKE IT NICE. YOU GOT TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT THEY VALUE AND THEN THEY COME. BUT WE'VE HAD GREAT SUCCESS BECAUSE IT IS POSITIVE AND, YOU KNOW. WELL THAT'S ENCOURAGING. YEAH. OKAY. I'M DONE. THANK YOU. FIRST OFF NEWTON BECOMES THE VOICE OF LIKE HEY YOU SHOULD DO IT THIS WAY. THAT'S NUMBER ONE MY WAY RIGHT. YEAH. THE NEWTON WAY.

WE'RE ALL IN TROUBLE. IS THIS ANYTHING DIRECTLY RELATED TO RAISE THE AGE? NO. ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THESE THE ONLY WAY? NO. EVEN THOUGH OTHERWISE BE GOING INTO SOME SORT OF. NO.

THIS IS MORE KIDS THAT ARE I WOULD SAY ARE ON THE. THEY MIGHT BE JDS BUT THEY'RE NOT AS SERIOUS. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT AS SERIOUS OF THE CHARGES OR PINS. KIDS ARE STARTING TO ENTER INTO THAT SYSTEM OF GETTING IN TROUBLE FOR THE RAISE THE AGE. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT NEVER COULD BE, BECAUSE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, A YOUTH MIGHT GO TO THE HIGHER COURT AND IT WILL GET THEY'LL REFER IT BACK DOWN TO FAMILY COURT. SO POTENTIALLY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY NEVER, THAT THERE COULD NEVER BE A RAISE THE AGE YOUTH THERE COULD. I MEAN, IT'S NOT PROHIBITED. BUT GENERALLY THESE ARE FOR KIDS WITH BECAUSE RAISE THE AGE ARE HIGHER LEVEL CRIMES.

YOU KNOW GENERALLY. SO YOU KNOW THIS IS MORE FOR, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN THE RAISE THE AGE TYPE. THE LESSER VIOLATIONS. YEAH. LIKE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW LIKE MURDER USING GUNS. I MEAN, THEY ALL GO TO RAISE THE AGE. THE KIDS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY LIKE SOME OF THOSE VERY SERIOUS. OH, I MEAN, THESE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE STOLEN A CAR AND TAKEN IT FOR A RIDE.

THEY MIGHT BE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF A GANG INVOLVEMENT AND DONE SOMETHING. SOME OF THEM, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT LIKE THEY'RE NOT SERIOUS. YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT HAVE BEAT SOMEBODY UP. THEY MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IN A FIGHT. THEY MIGHT HAVE, CERTAINLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT AT THAT HIGHER LEVEL THAT WOULD DESIGNATE THEM, RAISE THE AGE. I MEAN, AS A AS A GENERAL, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. THEY YEAH, THEY COULD. YEAH THEY COULD. YEAH. YEAH.

ALL GOOD QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR COLLEEN DOCKET OKAY. HEARING NONE. WE'LL GO TO VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME.

SORRY I WAS LATE. TWO MINUTES. YEAH. THROUGH THE RINGER. NEXT TIME IT WILL BE QUICKER. IT'LL

[e. 2025-1990 – HEALTH DEPARTMENT RE:     APPROVAL OF AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND MOHAWK VALLEY COMMUNITY ACTION AGENCY, INC.  ]

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AND TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.

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