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MEANING. PLEASE COME TO ORDER. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ROLL CALL PLEASE. SHEYBAL. EDDIE LEACH HERE. ROGERS. WHITT. WATERMAN. HERE. BOUCHER. FIORINI. HERE.
BLEZNICK. HERE. BUCK. JOSEPH. KOENIG. WHITE. NEWTON. HERE. DAVIS. GABLE. REAL. PRATT.
DIMAGGIO. DANIELS. JULIAN. IRVIN. WASHBURN. HERE. MCNEIL. GENTILE. HERE. WE HAVE A QUORUM
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UNDER RESOLUTION. INTRODUCTORY NUMBER 122 IS A MEMORIALIZING A REQUEST TO THE STATE LEGISLATORS REPRESENTING ONEIDA COUNTY TO SECURE THE PASSAGE OF SENATE BILL S8117 AND ASSEMBLY BILL 8488, WHICH WOULD AUTHORIZE ESTABLISHMENT OF A SCHOOL SPEED ZONE CAMERA DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM. DO I HAVE A SECOND? DISCUSSION. MR. JOSEPH? BRING MY GLASSES. I HAD A 37 MINUTE DISCUSSION. YOU'RE ON THE CLOCK. JUST A FEW WORDS ABOUT THIS. I'M GOING TO BE VOTING NO AGAINST THIS BECAUSE I'M TOTALLY AGAINST THE ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE THAT THIS PROJECT OFFERS. WE I'M GOING TO POINT OUT A FEW EXAMPLES OF WHERE WE ACHIEVED THE SAME ENFORCEMENT OR THE SAME SCRUTINY. AND IN WESTMORLAND, WE HAD A RESOURCE OFFICER FOR YEARS. THE PARK, THEIR CAR RIGHT ON THE PARKING LOT LOOKING AT 233. THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO DETER SPEEDERS. EVERY TIME A CAR AND EVERY TIME I FOLLOWED A CAR, AS SOON AS THEY SAW THE POLICE CAR, THEY'D HIT THE BRAKES.WELL, SINCE THIS CAMERA AND TRAILER WENT UP, THE POLICE OR THE SHERIFF PARKS HIS CAR IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. AND SO IT'S INEFFECTIVE. WE HAD THE BEST DECOY THERE WAS TO CONTROL TRAFFIC. ANOTHER ANECDOTAL THING I'LL THROW OUT IS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE ALL APPROVED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE VILLAGE OF CLINTON FOR THE SHERIFFS TO PATROL THE SCHOOL ZONE AND WRITE PARKING TICKETS. THE LAST COURT THAT THEY HELD, THEY HAD 90 TICKETS. MAJORITY OF THEM WERE THROWN OUT BECAUSE TICKETS WERE FOR FOUR MILES AN HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT, WHICH IN CLINTON IT'S 15 MILES AN HOUR. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO CATCH PEOPLE THAT ARE TWO, THREE, FOUR MILES AN HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT. I WOULD SUGGEST ANYBODY WHO HAS MORE TIME THAN I DO READ THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT YOU CAN GET ONLINE, AND THERE ARE REAMS AND REAMS AND REAMS ABOUT EVERY TRAFFIC SITUATION. INCLUDING WHOLE SECTIONS ON SCHOOL ZONES AND HOW TO DETER THEM, AND THE COLORS OF SIGNS AND THE APPROPRIATE SPEEDS AND WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK. THE ONLY THING I COULD FIND ABOUT CAMERAS WAS HOW TO GET OUT OF A TICKET FOR A CAMERA. YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER. GOOD INTENTIONS DON'T ALWAYS MAKE GOOD LAW. THE INTENT IS GOOD. BUT IF THERE REALLY IS A PROBLEM, THE OTHER THING IS, I WILL SAY, AND CHRIS IS GOING TO SMILE. AND A FEW OTHERS THAT I'VE SAID THIS, BUT IT'S A THIS IS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM. TYPICALLY WE HAVE PROBLEMS AND WE STRIVE FOR A SOLUTION TO IT. BUT IN IN IF WE REALLY DID HAVE A PROBLEM OTHER THAN CONTROLLING PEOPLE, WELL, WE WOULD WE WOULD PUT POST CARS BY EACH AND EVERY SCHOOL. EVERY SCHOOL HAS MULTIPLE. RETIRED OR, YOU KNOW, SHERIFFS THERE TO BE ABLE TO WRITE TICKETS. I THINK IT'S A IT'S A FAILED ATTEMPT TO TRY TO CONTROL PEOPLE. IT WILL NOT ACHIEVE THE FEEL GOOD. YOU KNOW, RESULTS THAT EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S GOING TO BE. THE
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OTHER THING IN DOING A LITTLE RESEARCH IS THE ONLY ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE COME TO MIND OF LATE INVOLVED DISTRACTED DRIVERS OR IMPAIRED DRIVERS. SO AS A REMINDER, WHEN WE SEND THIS TO THE GOOD LEGISLATORS IN IN ALBANY, REMIND THEM THAT THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE LEGALIZED MARIJUANA, WHICH PROBABLY IS A CONTRIBUTOR TO ANY OF THE IMPAIRED DRIVING. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME FOR THE NEXT MEETING, AND I'M VOTING NO. ALL RIGHT.MR. JULIAN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. LOOK, I THINK THAT THE THING THAT HITS EVERYBODY THE SAME WAY IS MONEY. AND IF SOMEONE DRIVES THROUGH THIS ZONE AND THEY'RE GOING TOO FAST, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THAT THERE'S A DOLLAR ASSOCIATED WITH SPEEDING THROUGH A SCHOOL ZONE.
AND AFTER YOU SPEED THROUGH THAT SCHOOL ZONE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL SAYING, WE SAW YOUR CAR SPEEDING THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE. AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. RIVERA, BUT THAT WILL NOT BE A POINT ISSUE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT DISCERN WHO IS DRIVING THE CAR. WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? SO IT WOULD JUST BE A FEE, A FINE, AND YOU MAIL IT IN AND YOU'RE DONE WITH IT.
WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? ESSENTIALLY REPLICATING THE ONEIDA COUNTY BOARD OF LEGISLATORS APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SCHOOL BUS RIGHT PROCESS THAT IS IN PLACE NOW AND VERY SUCCESSFUL. CORRECT. I GOT A TICKET IN WASHINGTON, DC FOR SPEEDING ON A CAMERA. IT SAID THE FEE IS $200 OR WHATEVER THE FINE WAS AT THAT TIME. HOWEVER, BECAUSE WE COULD NOT TELL IT WAS YOU DRIVING. THERE'S NO POINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. I WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO PAY THAT $200 BECAUSE IT GOT ME OUT OF IT. DONE. DON'T HAVE TO GO DOWN TO IT. WHEN WE WERE IN THE CITY OF UTICA AND WATCHING A DRUG HOUSE, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD OFTENTIMES DO IS WE WOULD SEE THE CARS COME IN AND WE WOULD GET THE LICENSE PLATES OFF THE CARS, AND THEY WOULD QUICKLY GO IN AND GO OUT OF A DRUG HOUSE, AND THEY'D GET WHATEVER THEY WERE BUYING AND THEY'D THEY'D GO ON THEIR WAY AND THE INVESTIGATORS WOULD SEE THIS, THIS BEHAVIOR AS THEY WERE BUILDING THIS CASE. AND SO WE STARTED TO DO IS WE STARTED TO SEND LETTERS TO THE OWNERS OF THOSE CARS AND SAID, YOUR CAR, A GREEN 1978 PONTIAC WITH A LICENSE PLATE, LBA 7982, WAS SEEN AT THIS LOCATION AT THIS TIME. AND ALTHOUGH WE BELIEVE YOUR VISIT TO BE INNOCENT, WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS A KNOWN DRUG LOCATION AND NEXT TIME YOU ARE THERE, TAKE CARE. AND WE WOULD GET FLURRIES OF ANGRY CALLS FROM PARENTS. MY KIDS HAD THAT CAR AND I'M SURE THEY WEREN'T THERE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THEY TOOK NOTICE. AND IF PEOPLE SPEED THROUGH THESE ZONES AND THEY GET THAT LETTER IN THE MAIL THAT SAYS THEY SPED THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE, WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING, AND ANYTHING THAT WOULD STOP SOMEONE FROM SPEEDING THROUGH A SCHOOL ZONE, I THINK IS WORTHWHILE AND WORTH TRYING. SURE, WE CAN PUT A COP THERE IN A CAR, BUT WE HAVE DISCUSSIONS HOW WE GOT TO PAY FOR THESE CARS ALL THE TIME. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR ENOUGH CARS FOR ALL THESE GUYS, AND THESE GIRLS ARE OUT THERE DOING THESE, THESE PATROLS. SO I THINK THIS IS A, A EMPLOYEE THAT DOESN'T GET PAID AND WILL REAP BENEFITS FOR US. I'M FOR IT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE AREA SAFER, I THINK IS GOING TO BE GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ANYONE ELSE? MR. NEWTON? MY TURN. GEORGE, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID, BY THE WAY. EVERYTHING. A COUPLE OF THINGS. I TOLD A STORY TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT. MY DAUGHTER WAS IN ORTHODONTICS RESIDENCY AT UB, AND SHE GOT TEN TICKETS IN THE MAIL FOR SPEEDING THROUGH A SCHOOL ZONE IN THE SAME WEEK. SO THERE WAS A LAG BETWEEN HER KNOWING IT WAS A SCHOOL ZONE AND HER GETTING THE TICKET FOR GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOL ZONE. SHE TRIED TO FIGHT IT, BUT SHE ENDED UP HAVING TO PAY ALL TEN TICKETS. YEAH. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE STORY. THE OTHER STORY IS I HAPPEN TO LIVE TWO BLOCKS PAST HART'S HILL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SO I GO THROUGH THAT SCHOOL ZONE SIX, EIGHT TIMES A DAY BECAUSE I'M IN AND OUT OF MY HOUSE ALL DAY LONG. AND I TALKED TO GEORGE ABOUT THIS ALREADY, BUT I'VE BEEN PASSED ON THE LEFT TWICE, DRIVING THROUGH THAT SCHOOL ZONE. AND I HAVE TWO GRANDKIDS THAT GO TO THAT SCHOOL. AND ANOTHER THING IS THE HARTHILL FLASHING LIGHTS ARE ON AT 7:00 IN THE MORNING, AND THERE'S NOT A CAR IN THE PARKING LOT AT 7 A.M. I GO BY THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AT 7 A.M, NOT A CAR. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GOING TO BE WHEN THE LIGHTS ARE ON OR IS THIS GOING TO BE KNOWN TO EVERYBODY THAT IF THE LIGHTS ARE ON, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A TICKET? AND ARE WE GOING TO ADJUST THE LIGHTS ON THESE
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SCHOOLS OR WHATEVER? I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. OKAY. THERE WERE AS PART OF THE CURRENT PRACTICE OF TRYING TO ASSESS HOW MUCH OF A NEED THERE IS FOR THIS, NOT ONLY THE SCHOOL ZONES, BUT ON A COUPLE OTHER STREETS, GENESEE STREET AND SOUTH UTICA BEING ONE WHERE WE RECORDED PEOPLE, IT'S A 30 MILE AN HOUR ZONE HAS BEEN 30 FOREVER. CARS IN EXCESS OF 70 MILES AN HOUR. THERE HAVE BEEN FATAL ACCIDENTS ON GENESEE STREET, WITH PEOPLE THE ATTRIBUTED TO EXCESSIVE SPEED IN OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE COUNTY. THERE'S SOME BAD ROADS AND RECKLESS BEHAVIOR. THE OF THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF NOTIFICATIONS WITH NO TICKETS, NO FINE. NO NOTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN SENDING OUT TO PEOPLE SAYING YOU'RE SPEEDING. YOU WERE GOING X MILES AN HOUR AT THIS LOCATION. OUT OF ALL OF THOSE, ONE PERSON CONTACTED US TO COMPLAIN THAT THEY WENT THROUGH THERE ABOUT 7:10 A.M. AND THE LIGHTS WERE FLASHING, BUT BASICALLY THE SAME ARGUMENT THAT IS NOT SET BY THE COUNTY. THAT IS A LOCAL MUNICIPALITY DECISION. I HAD ERIC TOWNSEND WHEN WE GOT THE COMPLAINT. I SAID, WHY WOULD THEY BE DOING IT 7 A.M. AND THAT HAS BEEN THAT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR YEARS. THAT WAS THE LOCAL DECISION AS TO WHEN THEY THOUGHT SCHOOL ACTIVITIES AND KIDS WOULD BE ARRIVING, WHETHER EARLY OR LATE.I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT THEY SET THOSE TIME PARAMETERS FOR THAT SCHOOL IN PARTICULAR. WHICH OF THE SMALL SAMPLE THAT WE TOOK? WE DID A COUPLE OTHER ONES. ANOTHER ONE WAS UP IN SAUQUOIT, WHICH IS AN INTERESTING ANOTHER STORY WHICH I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT QUICKLY, WHERE THIS WOULDN'T APPLY. THAT THAT THAT STRETCH OF HART'S HILL IS, IS A SPEEDWAY. IT IS CRAZY.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE GOING THROUGH THERE, SOME GOVERNMENT VEHICLES EVEN THAT WERE GOING THROUGH THAT EXCESS OF SPEED. I CAN TELL YOU ONE OTHER THING, THAT WHAT THE WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS HAVE ALREADY DONE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THIS IS ALREADY IN PLACE IN MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS ACROSS THE STATE. THIS IS NOT NEW. I KNOW IT'S NEW TO US. THIS IS NOT NEW ACROSS THE STATE, THE SEQUOIA SCHOOL DISTRICT ON SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD. THIS GOES BACK TO THE DAYS OF JACK WILLIAMS, BECAUSE I REMEMBER HE WANTED THAT FLASHING SIGN FOR A SCHOOL ZONE ON SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD. AND OF THE THREE E'S FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY, ENGINEERING AND EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT, THAT ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF IT, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ON THIS. THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT TO BE A SCHOOL ZONE AND IDENTIFIED SCHOOL ZONE ON THAT STRETCH OF SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD IN SEQUOIA. SO IT GOES FROM AN UNPOSTED SPEED OF 55 MILES AN HOUR, DOWN TO 30 RIGHT ABOVE, SOUTH OF WHERE THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS THERE. THAT IS NOT A SCHOOL ZONE. THAT IS 55 GOING TO 30 BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE A SCHOOL ZONE. THEY DO THEIR TRAFFIC STUDIES AND ALL THEIR ENGINEERING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THEY SAID IT DOESN'T QUALIFY. AND IF THOSE OF YOU WHO REMEMBER THIS BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT, IT DROVE JACK CRAZY FOR YEARS BECAUSE HE WANTED THAT TO BE A SCHOOL ZONE, TO GET PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN MORE. THAT STRETCH OF ROAD. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAD THE SAME THINGS. PEOPLE ARE GOING IN EXCESS OF 55 DOWN THAT ROAD AND UNPOSTED ROAD, AND THEY HIT THAT 30, AND THEY MIGHT SLOW DOWN TO 55 OR 40, BUT SOME HAVE NOT. WE'VE GOT THEM 60 OR 70 MILES AN HOUR LITERALLY GOING BY THAT SCHOOL ALSO, WHICH, WHICH DOES NOT APPLY UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS THAT THE STATE SETS FOR THESE THINGS. SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ENGINEERING, OKAY, YOU TALK ABOUT EDUCATION. SOME PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION, SOME PEOPLE DON'T. THE OTHER THIRD LEG OF THIS TO MAKE ANY OF THIS WORK FOR US, AND IT'S NOT WATCHING PEOPLE. IT'S NOT SPYING ON PEOPLE. IT'S TRYING TO MAKE ONEIDA COUNTY'S ROADS SAFER IS THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF IT. IT IS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT A POLICE CAR IN FRONT OF EVERY SCHOOL IN ONEIDA COUNTY. IT'S A IT'S A NONSTARTER. AGENCIES WILL NOT DO IT. THERE'S A VARIETY OF ISSUES OF GETTING THEM BACK TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT NIGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THE DEPUTY OR WHOEVER IS THERE WOULD TAKE THAT PATROL CAR AND PUT IT IN THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH THIS AT THIS POINT. ANYWAYS, WE DIDN'T COORDINATE ANYTHING WITH THEM TO TELL THEM TO MOVE CARS OR ANYTHING ELSE. THE SIGNS THAT WE PUT UP HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF SHOWING THE SPEED LIMIT. YOU'VE SEEN THOSE BEFORE. I SAID JUST SET THEM UP AND LET'S SEE HOW PEOPLE ARE DOING. MAYBE THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE ABOUT PEOPLE SPEEDING, AND WE FOUND OUT IT REALLY IS AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE SPEEDING. AND IT IS IT IS A IS A PROCESS THAT WAS
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DONE ON A BLIND JUST TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE. AND IN SCHOOL ZONES IN PARTICULAR, THERE WERE THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THERE SPEEDING A LOT. WE SET THESE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, I UPPED IT BECAUSE SO MANY OF THEM WERE SPEEDING. WE FIRST SET IT AT, I BELIEVE, 12 MILES AN HOUR OVER WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS FOR THAT SCHOOL ZONE. SO WE GAVE QUITE A BIT OF LATITUDE BEFORE IT WOULD EVEN REGISTER. WE WERE GETTING SO MANY OF THEM. I TOLD ERIC, I SAID, CAN YOU UP IT, PLEASE? I MEAN, THEY'RE GETTING THE PRINT SHOP, PRINTS THEM HERE. WE'RE KIND OF GETTING INUNDATED WITH ALL THESE. AND HE, YOU KNOW, HE CITED SOME STANDARD NATIONAL STANDARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND IF PEOPLE ARE WRITING TICKETS FOR 1 OR 2 OR 3 OR 4 MILES AN HOUR, THE SPEED LIMIT, I THINK THOSE TICKETS PROBABLY SHOULD GET DISMISSED UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT WOULD BE DOING THAT, AND I'D BE VERY SKEPTICAL THAT ANYBODY, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WOULD EVEN BOTHER WITH THAT. NOW, ON A PARTICULAR STRETCH OF SHENANGO STREET IN THE VILLAGE OF CLINTON, WHEN THEIR SCHOOL IS IN SESSION, THEY WANT THAT THEY SET THAT AT 15 MILES AN HOUR. ROCCO LADUCA GOT ONE OF THOSE LETTERS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ON THE RADIO TODAY WITH THE SHERIFF. I SAW HIS NAME IN THERE. HE DEBATED WHETHER TO PULL IT OR NOT, BUT THEY SET THAT THAT STANDARD TO BE 15. WE HAVE IT SET AT LIKE 26 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND HE WENT BLEW THROUGH THERE AT A HIGHER SPEED. HE ADMITTED IT. SO NO ONE SHOULD BE WRITING A TICKET AT THAT LOWER SPEED. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND. IT IS ESSENTIALLY UNENFORCEABLE BECAUSE YOU INUNDATE ANY OTHER COURT SYSTEM BY DOING THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO THAT. I'M JUST I'VE WRITTEN PEOPLE TICKETS, SO I DO HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THIS. I KNOW OF NO COURT THAT HAS EVER COMPLAINED ABOUT TICKETS BEING WRITTEN AT SUCH A LOW LEVEL. THAT CAN BE SET BY THE BOARD, IT CAN BE SET BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OR IN THIS CASE, IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK. IT'S SET BY THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITY AS TO WHAT A SPEEDING VEHICLE IS AND WHAT THAT LEEWAY IS IN BETWEEN MR. WHITE. YOU ANSWERED YOU ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS AS FAR AS WHAT THE TOLERANCE WAS GOING TO BE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THE OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE IS, HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE ROLLED OUT, IS GOING TO BE LIKE A MEDIA CAMPAIGN? ARE THERE GOING TO BE WARNING SIGNS PUT OUT? OF COURSE. ARE THERE GOING TO BE WARNINGS ISSUED BEFORE THE TICKETS ARE ISSUED? THE BOARD SO DESIRES THE WARNINGS ARE BEING SENT OUT AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW TO BEGIN WITH. AND IS THIS GOING TO BE RUN SIMILAR TO THE CAMERA SYSTEM LIKE ON THE STOP ARMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL REVIEW IT BEFORE? CORRECT. OKAY. WE'VE TALKED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE'VE TALKED TO SCOTT MCNAMARA IS FORMER DISTRICT ATTORNEY, WAS HIRED TO I DON'T WANT TO SAY PROSECUTE, BUT BASICALLY CARRY OUT THE COLLECTION PROCESS WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO WANT TO ARGUE THAT EVEN THOUGH THAT'S ON VIDEO ALSO THAT HE DOES THAT CURRENTLY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. SECOND, WHEREAS BULLET SAYS THAT SINCE MARCH 20TH, 2025, I CALCULATED MAYBE WE'VE HAD 50 SCHOOL DAYS IN THAT WINDOW OF APRIL, MAY AND PART OF MARCH, 50 DAYS INTO THAT 3500 INCIDENTS MEANS 7070 PER DAY ARE HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY, NOT NOT SEPARATE FROM THE WE IMPLEMENTED THE SCHOOL BUS CAMERAS, AND IT'S HIGHLY DISTURBING TO ME AS A LEGISLATOR REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT I DO, THAT SOME SCHOOLS IN THE COUNTY HAVE YET TO SIGN ON TO THAT. THAT JUST IS MIND BOGGLING TO ME. I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF WHAT MR. JULIAN SAID OF IF WE CAN PUT MORE SAFETY IN SCHOOL ZONES, ETC, THAT I WOULD SUPPORT IT. LAST NOTE THAT I HAVE HERE IS THE RESOLUTION IS TO BE SENT TO THE HOME RULE COUNCIL OF NEW YORK STATE SENATE AND ASSEMBLY. JUST A SIDEBAR COMMENT. IT'S NICE THAT SOME ORGANIZATION REPRESENTS RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF HOME RULE. SO WITH THAT I WOULD SUPPORT THIS DOCUMENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CAN I JUST MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THAT? THOSE 3500. WE ONLY HAVE TWO TRAILERS. THAT'S ONLY TWO LOCATIONS IN THAT GIVEN TIME FRAME. AND THERE'S I FORGET HOW MANY DIFFERENT SCHOOL BUILDINGS ARE IN SCHOOL ZONES ARE. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, IF WE IF WE VOTED THIS DOWN, WOULD WOULD THAT HAVE ANY LEVERAGE OR WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THIS FOR IT TO, TO GAIN PASSAGE[00:20:07]
IN THE SENATE AND YES, YEAH. YES. THIS IS A MATTER OF FACT. THAT WAS EXCUSE. WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO ESPECIALLY BRIAN 80 ABOUT THIS FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT KIND OF CAME UP, HE SAID. AND I TOLD HIM ON THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WAS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG. YOU GOT TO DO IT AHEAD OF TIME. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. THAT, THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF SPRUNG ON US DUE TO THE END OF THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION IN ALBANY. YEAH. RICK, WITHOUT THE PASSAGE OF A HOME RULE REQUEST, THE ASSEMBLY AND SENATE WILL NOT CONSIDER THAT LEGISLATION WITHOUT IT ATTACHED. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH. SO THIS IS THIS HAS GOT TO BE DATA DRIVEN. SO WHEN LOOKING AT THIS, YOU CAN LOOK AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS IN NEW YORK STATE THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS HAVE AND WE HAVE OUR OWN DATA. THE AS I MENTIONED, THAT I TOLD ERIC TO UP IT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING SO MANY SPEEDING VEHICLES IN SCHOOL ZONES THAT IT'S A IT IS A IT'S PERVASIVE. IT'S A, IT IS A PROBLEM. SO IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT INITIATED THIS, WHETHER IT'S LAST YEAR, YEAR BEFORE, HAVE THEY SEEN A REDUCTION IN INCIDENCES SINCE SINCE THIS PROGRAM? I'M NOT GOING TO LIE TO YOU. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I WOULD ONE WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME SO IF YOU GIVE JUST THE CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE TODAY, YOU HAD A REPORTER WHO WE ALL KNOW THAT FLAT OUT SAID, I'M GOING TO SLOW DOWN THERE. I GO BY THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND I'VE BEEN SPEEDING THROUGH THAT SPEED ZONE. AND I GOT THIS THING IN THE MAIL FROM THE COUNTY. AND AGAIN, HE WAS TALKING TO THE SHERIFF TO PROBABLY POST IT, THAT HE WILL SLOW DOWN ALONG IN FRONT OF THE CLINTON SCHOOL THERE. SO THAT IS THAT IS TO BE QUITE HONEST, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF ENFORCEMENT RIGHT THERE. AS FAR AS COST. ANY IDEA OF OVERALL COST? WELL, IF YOU BASE IT ON AND THIS IS A THIS IS A BOARD DECISION. IF YOU BASE IF YOU DO THE CIVIL PENALTY, JUST LIKE THE SCHOOL BUSSES, THESE CAMERAS WILL PAY FOR THEMSELVES RELATIVELY QUICKLY. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO DO THE 50 BUCKS, THE TWO OF THEM ISSUED 3500 CATCHES IN IN A RELATIVELY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THAT'S 170 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THESE. THEY COST ABOUT 32,000 APIECE. AND SOMEONE TO SET THEM UP, OR A BETTER SOLUTION IS TO HAVE THE PERMANENT ONES. MARY, I KNOW THE TOWN OF NEW HARTFORD, ONEIDA STREET HAS THEM. OXFORD. MAYBE.MAYBE NOT. THEY'RE COMING THAT THOSE PERMANENT ONES AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL ZONE ARE EASIER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THEM IN THE WINTER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. MR. NEWTON, FOLLOW UP, QUICK FOLLOW UP. SO JUST A CLARIFICATION. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A SAY AS TO THE NUMBER OF MILES PER HOUR OVER THE SPEED LIMIT THAT THESE WE THE BOARD.
YES. YOU SHOULD SET THAT IF THIS GOES THROUGH AND WE'RE GIVEN PERMISSION THAT THAT MY OPINION IS THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TO SET THAT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE RIDICULOUSLY LOW OR RIDICULOUSLY HIGH FOR THAT MATTER, DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS THAT THIS WOULD BE A TOTAL COUNTY INTAKE OF FUNDING, BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO THIS IS GOING TO BE BUCKETS OF MONEY. IT IS IT'S GOING TO BE HUGE. THAT IS UP TO THE BOARD. ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOME SHARING ON THIS, I KNOW IT GETS COMPLICATED BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT ROADWAYS, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT SOME SCHOOLS THAT ARE ON STATE HIGHWAYS AND YOU'VE GOT SOME THAT ARE VILLAGE STREETS, AND OBVIOUSLY OUR COUNTY ROADS WOULD BE THE EASIEST ONES. THE CITY OF UTICA, WHAT ABOUT IT? IS THAT GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS AS WELL? I MEAN IT'S I HAVE APARTMENTS OVER ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE IN MOHAWK STREET WHERE THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS. IT'S A 15. AND THE SIGNS ABOUT THIS BIG AND I'VE BEEN PASSED MAYBE 3 OR 4 TIMES ON THE RIGHT ON DOUBLE YELLOW LINE THERE TOO. YES. NO, IT SHOULD INCLUDE EVERY RECOGNIZED SCHOOL ZONE. AGAIN, THERE'S A FEW THAT LIKE SULFUR SPRINGS ROAD, MY ALMA MATER AT SEQUOYAH. THAT IS NOT A SCHOOL ZONE. IT WOULD NOT APPLY TO THAT. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A RECOGNIZED SCHOOL ZONE ANYWHERE IN ONEIDA COUNTY. AND WE GAVE BRIAN, 80, AND ASSEMBLYWOMAN BLANCHARD'S OFFICE. THEY HAVE THAT LIST OF RECOGNIZED SCHOOL ZONES. I HATE BIG GOVERNMENT, GEORGE. I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. BUT I JUST I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. I DON'T KNOW, MR. LEACH. I'M ON THE MR. LEACH. KEITH'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN HIS AREA THAT WOULDN'T ALLOW THE BUS CAMERAS. HOW WOULD THIS WORK WITH A SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T WANT THE VIDEO CAMERAS, I ASSUME BECAUSE THE ROADWAYS ARE NOT OWNED BY THE SCHOOL. THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THEM? NO. I'M SURE A LOT OF THEM STARTED WITH
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PARENTS AND MAYBE SCHOOLS ALSO, BUT IT'S THE MUNICIPALITY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW, I GET OFF ON A TANGENT ABOUT THE SCHOOL BUS, BUT I BELIEVE I BELIEVE YOU MAY SEE SOME MOVEMENT FOR A COUPLE OF THOSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T, FOR WHATEVER REASON WHY THEY DIDN'T GET ON THE ON THE SCHOOL BUS CAMERA THING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MOTION TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN WHAT WAS THAT FOR THOSE THAT DIDN'T GET ON THE BUS, FOR THOSE THAT DIDN'T GET ON THE BUS, I THINK THEY'VE SEEN IT'S PROVEN THE SUCCESS OF THAT PROGRAM. ONE OTHER QUICK THING. I KNOW JERRY'S IN A HURRY. YOU GOT MR. YOU GOT IZZY WANTS A QUESTION FIRST. OKAY. KEVIN, ARE THE CAMERAS ON THE BUSSES RECORDING AT ALL TIMES? WHEN THEY OPEN THE DOOR, WHEN THEY OPEN THE DOOR, WHEN THEY OPEN THE WHEN THE THINGS COME OUT, THAT'S WHEN THEY KICK ON AND THEY KICK OFF. YES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT INSIDE THE BUS WITH THE KIDS. I ASSUME THAT'S ALL GOING. THAT'S ALWAYS ONE OTHER QUICK THING. JUST SO YOU KNOW. AND I THINK THE CHAIRMAN AND THE MAJORITY LEADER AND THE MINORITY LEADER, AND MIKE GOT AN EMAIL THAT WE GOT UNSOLICITED FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE. AND THIS IS SOMEWHAT RELATED INTO SOME OF THE DISCUSSION HERE, NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY, BUT THERE WERE FOLKS IN CERTAIN MUNICIPALITIES WHEN THEY HEARD ABOUT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ANNOUNCING ABOUT A CAMERA PROGRAM TO HELP FIGHT CRIME. I GOT AN EMAIL TODAY FROM THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN UTICA THANKING THE COUNTY, THANKING THE BOARD OF LEGISLATORS AND THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE BECAUSE A RECENT SHOOTING ON ROBERTS STREET IN WEST UTICA, THE SUSPECTS WHO LET OFF 15 ROUNDS AND SHOT SOMEBODY APPARENTLY IN, GRAZED HIS HEAD OR SOMETHING, WERE IDENTIFIED BECAUSE OF THE COUNTY CAMERAS THAT WERE INSTALLED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THEY WORK, THEY HELP, AND THEY MAKE THE AREA THAT MUCH SAFER. KEVIN, JUST ONE MORE THING LIKE THE CLINTON SCHOOL, THE SPEED ZONES THERE. IT'S VERY COMPLICATED. THERE'S ROADS IN THE BACK, THERE'S ROADS IN THE FRONT. IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S EVEN A SCHOOL ZONE SIGN. I BELIEVE IT'S IN FRONT OF THE OLD SUBWAY. SO THEY EXTENDED ALL THE WAY OUT TO THERE. WILL YOU LIMIT THE NUMBER OF CAMERAS PER SCHOOL DISTRICT, OR WILL YOU PUT THEM WHERE THEY ENTER EVERY PART OF THAT SCHOOL ZONE? I DON'T KNOW THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THAT COULD BE UP TO TEN CAMERAS. YEAH. NO. RIGHT.EXACTLY. I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE. DO YOU PUT IT AT THE BEGINNING SO THEY SLOW DOWN AT THE BEGINNING, THEN SPEED UP WHERE. HOW DO YOU. THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE ENGINEERING. PEOPLE JUST CAN'T NO MUNICIPALITY CAN JUST START SLAPPING SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS UP. THE STANDARDS HAVE TO BE MET IN ORDER TO DO THIS, ESPECIALLY ON THE COUNTY SIDE OF THINGS.
CLINTON SCHOOL ZONE. IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. THERE'S THE FRONT ROW AND THE BACK ROAD, AND IT GOES DOWN COLLEGE HILL. THE DPW AND EMERGENCY SERVICE WOULD HAVE TO VERIFY THAT ANY, ANY POSTED ZONES ARE MEET THE STANDARD FOR THAT. THEY CAN'T JUST GO WILLY NILLY AND START PUTTING THESE UP EVERY WHICH WAY. SO I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU PUT IT ON COLLEGE HILL ROAD, ONCE THEY GO THROUGH THERE, THEY TAKE A LEFT TO GO IN FRONT OF THE CLINTON SCHOOL. THERE'S NO SIGNS. THERE'S NO WELL, THERE'S SIGNS, THERE'S NO CAMERAS. OKAY. SO JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY EVERYTHING, WHAT THIS DOES IS THIS AUTHORIZES US TO DO IT.
THIS WILL ALLOW THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO AUTHORIZE TO DO IT SOMETIME DOWN THE ROAD. WE SHOULD EXPECT A LOCAL LAW THAT WILL DETERMINE ALL OF THE FACTS AND THINGS OF WHAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE WHERE THEY ARE. HOW MANY DO THEY GET? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SPEED PARAMETERS, ALL THE PARAMETERS. SO. AND YEAH, YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? ADDED I JUST WANT TO ADD TO WE'RE TRYING TO SUBTRACT YOU CHAIRMAN, I DO HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT. IF I COULD REALLY QUICKLY GO AHEAD. IT'S NICE TO HAVE NEW INITIATIVES. THE INITIATIVE WITH THE BUSSES. CAN WE GET SOME STATISTICS ON INCIDENCES? MONEY? IT SEEMS SO OFTEN THIS BOARD HAS GOOD INTENTIONS, GOOD INITIATIVES.
BUT TO FOLLOW UP WITH DATA, RAW DATA, WE OFTEN DON'T ASK FOR SURE. I CAN GET YOU THE SCHOOL WITH THE MONEY THAT'S REQUIRED SO WE CAN GET YOU. YOU KNOW HOW. YEAH, OKAY. SOMEONE JUST ASKED FOR THAT A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND I ASSUME I THOUGHT IT WAS COLIN THAT THAT WAS PROVIDED. IF IT WASN'T, I THINK THAT'S THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. SCOTT MCNAMARA. ONE OR THE OTHER.
WE'LL GET IT. ANNUAL REPORT THAT GOES TO THE STATE. THOSE LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT I HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME, BUT THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME NUMBER OF REPORTS BY FUTURE. I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE MONEY. YEAH, I'VE GOT IT ALREADY. SOMEONE JUST ASKED FOR THAT REASON IN THE PAST FEW. I DON'T KNOW WHO IT WAS, BUT WE'LL FIND OUT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. I WANT
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TO CALL THE VOTE. WE NEED A SECOND. I DON'T GET A SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? YOU'RE GOING TO BE ADDED. RESOLUTION CARRIES. THANK YOU.* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.