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DONE IT. WE'LL CALL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM COMMITTEE TO ORDER. CLARK IS
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TAKING ATTENDANCE. WE HAVE MULTIPLE DOCKETS ON ON THE SCHEDULE FOR TONIGHT. THEY HAVE[a. 2024-0887 – PLANNING RE: AUTHORIZATION FOR ONEIDA COUNTY TO APPLY TO THE NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND MARKETS FOR GRANTS TOTALING $3,000,000 TO SUPPORT FOOD ACCESS EFFORTS IN ONEIDA COUNTY ]
MULTIPLE IS A MULTIPLE OF ONE. SO WITH THAT, OUR FIRST AND ONLY DOCKET IS THROUGH. HOW ARE YOU DOCKET 2024 0887. PLANNING DEPARTMENT AUTHORIZATION FOR ONEIDA COUNTY TO APPLY TO NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND MARKETS FOR GRANTS TOTALING $3 MILLION TO SUPPORT FOOD ACCESS EFFORTS IN ONEIDA COUNTY. JAMES, I WON'T MAKE REMARKS ON THE TIE, BUT CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS DOCKET? OH, THAT WAS YOU CAN MAKE YOU CAN SAY, LOOKS NICE. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. NO, IT'S A, IT'S A IT'S A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE. THERE'S $10 MILLION AVAILABLE STATEWIDE. 3 MILLION IS THE MAX ON THE REQUEST THAT THAT IS WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING. IT IS A FOOD ACCESS. IT'S BASICALLY A FOOD ACCESS EXPANSION GRANT PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE. THIS WOULD DO A SERIES OF THINGS IN THE INSIDE THE REAR WING IF WE WERE TO GET IT. TO BE FAIR, TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS JUST ABOUT APPLYING.OKAY. AND THEN I DON'T, YOU KNOW, AND WE THINK WE HAVE A GOOD APPLICATION. WE'LL PUT IT IN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THE IT'S ABOUT ADDING THINGS LIKE RESTROOMS AND STAIRCASES AND ELEVATORS AND HVAC UPGRADES. SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE DONE THERE REGARDLESS. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THE EXPANSION, AT LEAST IN THE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE OF THE MARKET ITSELF. AND THAT FITS INTO THE FOOD ACCESS EXPANSION GRANT PROGRAM. SO WHEN WE SAW THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY, WE SAID, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN PUT TOGETHER A APPLICATION AND GET 3 MILLION BUCKS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHAT YOU JUST SAID THAT POT OF MONEY IS 10 MILLION STATEWIDE. IT IS OKAY. QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE. RICK JAMES RAY, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROJECT. DO YOU DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR CAN YOU FIND OUT HOW MUCH YOU PUT INTO THAT BUILDING? I KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND BEING AROUND A FEW YEARS AS PART OF IT. WE HAD TO BUILD THE BUILDING WAS DETERIORATING, SO WE PUT IN QUITE A BIT OF MONEY THERE. CAN YOU GIVE ME A FIGURE ON THAT? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I, I'M SURE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT IT'S NOT THE MONEY IN THE BUILDING. IT'S NOT ABOUT. IT'S A NATIONAL HISTORIC SPOT. SO YOU EITHER LET IT CRUMBLE OR FIX IT. BUT THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY TWO OPTIONS. YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T. YOU CAN'T TEAR IT DOWN. YOU CAN'T. YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF OTHER THINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU GO BACK YEARS AGO WHEN YOU PUT MONEY, WHEN WE WERE PUTTING MONEY INTO IT, AND SOME OF THAT'S BEFORE ME, I WASN'T, I WASN'T HERE. BUT THE BUT THAT'S AN OPTION. THAT WAS A DECISION THEN BECAUSE YOU THAT WAS YOUR ONLY OPTION. THE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN AND YOU AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LET IT JUST CRUMBLE. SO AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TEAR IT DOWN. SO THAT'S WHY MONEY'S IN IT. I DON'T HAVE A TOTAL NUMBER AS FAR AS THAT GOES. BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY I CAN CERTAINLY FIGURE OUT A WAY TO TRACK THAT DOWN.
YEP. THANK YOU MARY, I APOLOGIZE IF VERY AGGRESSIVE, BUT I THINK I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A PERMANENT UP. DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO LAUNCH IT DOWN THERE, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE. YEAH. SO THERE'S THAT'S CERTAINLY THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT THAT WE HAVE THAT'S BEEN SCOPED OUT AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A GOAL.
BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR GRANT IT'S MORE I MEAN THAT'S PART OF IT, BUT IT'S MORE FOCUSED ON THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. THERE ANYWAY. SO WHETHER YOU DO A FOOD HUB OR YOU DO OR YOU OR YOU HAVE A PUBLIC MARKET FOREVER OR HOWEVER YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, OR WHAT'S DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW, THESE THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE DONE EITHER WAY. I MEAN, I GUESS IN THEORY, I GUESS THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE DONE. BUT WHY? WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO THEM ADA COMPLIANT BATHROOMS BEING ABLE TO EXPAND TO THE UPSTAIRS FOR THE MARKET. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WILL EXPAND WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DOWNSTAIRS? WELL, IT'S A IT'S A THERE'S A PLAN THAT LOOKS AT ALL THE WHOLE SPACE. BUT THAT'S BUT FOR THIS FOR THE ITEMS THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING HERE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD DO WHETHER YOU DID THAT OR NOT. I MEAN, IT'S A $300,000 CHARGE FOR US, RIGHT? WITH THE GRANT, 300 TO GET 3 MILLION. YEAH. STEVE. 300 AND GET 3 MILLION. SOUNDS GOOD. IS THERE SOME TYPE OF VIOLATION OR CLAWBACK IF YOU END UP NOT USING, LIKE, WHAT IF YOU GET THE 3 MILLION AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD YOU DECIDE THAT THE FOOD HUB WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA OR IT'S NOT TAKEN OFF, OR IT'S NOT WHAT WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY COME BACK AND
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SAY, HOW DOES THAT WORK? IF THEY IF THEY WERE LIKE, WE NEED IT FOR THAT PURPOSE. WHETHER THAT PURPOSE MAKES SENSE OR NOT. THE PURPOSE, THE PURPOSE IS TO EXPAND ACCESS TO FRESH FOOD. SO THE MARKET THAT'S THERE, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE GRANT. SO THE MARKET THAT'S THERE NOW WOULD WOULD SERVE THAT PURPOSE. SO THAT THAT ISN'T GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. BUT THEN BEYOND THAT, IF YOU DO THE ITEMS THAT ARE HERE, YOU COULD YOU COULD GO NO FURTHER THAN THAT. IF THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES AND IT WOULD STILL QUALIFY IN THE GRANT. YOU STILL HAVE A YOU STILL HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET THERE. YOU'RE STILL EXPANDING ACCESS. YOU MAKE IT LARGER, YOU'D ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE ADA COMPLIANT. LIKE ALL THAT FALLS INTO THIS THIS EXPANSION GRANT PROGRAM. SO THAT THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. AND CERTAINLY WE COULD CERTAINLY SPEND THE MONEY ON THESE THREE ITEMS WOULD WORK. AND IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER GRANT, IF YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MATCH AND YOU GOT TO SPEND IT TO GET IT. AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU'RE DONE. SO IF YOU GET TO TWO, YOU KNOW, IF THE THREE THINGS END UP COSTING 2.8, THEN YOU USE 2.8. CAROLINE, IS THIS LIKE AN ALL OR NOTHING SITUATION LIKE YOU GOT 3 MILLION OR YOU GET NOTHING? OR THEY COULD COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU 1 MILLION. THEY THEY CAN MAKE ANY DECISION THEY WANT.BUT BUT 3 MILLION IS WHAT WE IDENTIFIED. AND WHAT WE KIND OF WENT FOR. GOTCHA DOESN'T DO US.
IT CAN'T DO ANY OF THIS WITH 250,000, WHICH IS THE MINIMUM THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR. OKAY.
BUT THEY COULDN'T COME BACK AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU 1.5. YEAH. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. YEP. RICK. THIS TIME OF THE ESSENCE YOU HAVE THIS IN THIS MONTH. AND IF YOU DON'T THE APPLICATION IS DUE NOVEMBER 18TH. SO YOU EITHER GET PERMISSION TO DO IT OR YOU DON'T DO IT. AND THEN THEY MIGHT AWARD IT A YEAR FROM NOW. FOR ALL I KNOW, JAMES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, I'VE IN THE PAST VOTED AGAINST RAY. I'VE BEEN HERE ALL MY FEELINGS ABOUT THE RAY AND THE EXPENDITURES AND THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THE FARMER'S MARKET IS ALL. IT'S NICE. I WON'T SPEAK AGAINST IT. IT'S WON AWARDS, WHICH IS NICE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER FARMER MARKETS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, AND THEY'RE FUNDED TYPICALLY BY. BY WHO? THEIR MUNICIPALITIES. BUT BUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'VE SPENT IN THE RAY, SOME OF IT I KNOW WE HAD TO GET DONE. I DON'T WE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND ALL THAT MONEY. AND PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME DIRECTLY, WELL, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? AND I DON'T HAVE A 100% ANSWER. BUT CONTINUING TO SPEND MONEY IN THE AREA IS DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SUPPORT. I LIKE GETTING THIS MONEY. THE TRADE OFF IS NICE FROM THE STATE, BUT I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS IS A DIFFICULT VOTE FOR ME. IT REALLY IS. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY. YEAH, I MEAN LOOK, THAT'S THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU CAN GO BACK AND FORTH ON THOSE THINGS. BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT BEFORE THEY DID IT, BEFORE YOU GUYS ALLOCATED MONEY, BEFORE THE RAY WAS WAS FIXED, BEFORE THERE WAS A MARKET THERE, THERE WAS NO BANK SQUARE BUILDING THEN THERE WAS NO DOYLE HARDWARE BUILDING WITH PEOPLE LIVING IN IT. AND THERE WAS NO BUSINESSES DOWN THERE. THERE WAS NO BREWERY. THERE WAS NO TAILORING. THE COOK, THERE WAS A CHILDREN'S KIND OF. SO THE IDEA IS WHEN YOU WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FIX A CAVITY, YOU FIX YOUR MOUTH. RIGHT? AND THAT'S HOW YOU DO THAT, WHETHER WE DO IT OR NOT. THAT'S UP TO YOU. MIKE, IT'S A GREAT ASSET AND IT'S LIKE YOU POINTED OUT, IT'S AREA OF THE CITY THAT IS BEING WELL, IT'S A CATALYTIC INVESTMENT. THAT WAS MADE. YOU KNOW, I WOULD DEFINITELY BE SUPPORTING IT FOR THAT REASON.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMITTEE. SO JAMES, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS WHERE YOU JUST SAID THE DUE DATES NOVEMBER 18TH. CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF OF WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT RFP MIGHT BE? AND PAGES LENGTHS, ETC. HAVE YOU? WELL, IT'S THE GRANT APPLICATION. YOU MEAN IT'S PRETTY? IT'S IT IS. IT IS NOT IT'S NOT THE EASIEST ONE WE'VE EVER PUT IN. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S THE HARDEST ONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES WORK. WORK IS BEING DONE. YOU GOT TO COLLECT INFORMATION. YOU GOT TO HAVE THE RIGHT PROJECTS. YOU GOT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO DO THE NARRATIVE. AND THERE'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WHOLE STEP BY STEP PROCESS OF DOING IT.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF STAFF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPENT TIME ON IT RIGHT NOW. AND TO GET IT READY TO GO, AND THIS IS PART OF THAT. AND SO YOUR YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S ALREADY STARTED THAT INITIAL.
YEAH. WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO IN ORDER. YEAH. YEP. CAN YOU GIVE AN ESTIMATE OR ARE YOU TALKING FIVE PAGES. 50 PAGES. WHAT DO YOU THINK. YEAH I MEAN I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. IT'S MORE ABOUT USUALLY YOU'RE DOING IT THROUGH A PORTAL. SO IT'S THROUGH. I'M GOING TO FORGET THE ACRONYM. BUT THERE'S A STATE FINANCIAL PORTAL THAT WE USE FOR IT. AND YOU GOT TO CHECK THEIR
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BOXES AND YOU KNOW, SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PAGES YOU'RE GOING THROUGH KIND OF A SOFTWARE PROGRAM TO APPLY. YEAH. SO IN MY PREVIOUS LIFETIME I WAS A FAIRLY SUCCESSFUL AT WRITING SOME GRANTS. AND ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT WAS A FEDERAL USDA GRANT OF LIKE 56,000. THAT WAS YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT RELATED. YEAH. IT COULD BE 50 GRAND AND BE VERY COMPLICATED. SO THE AG AND MARKETS $3 MILLION MIGHT BE A FIVE PAGE ONE THAT YOUR STAFF COULD KNOCK OUT IN THREE HOURS. JUST, JUST SO I HAVE I'M TRYING TO RECALL I KNOW WE HAD A TOUR DOWN AT OUR AREA NOT TOO LONG AGO FOR MY BENEFIT FROM THE COMMITTEE HERE, WHO REMEMBERS THAT THEY WENT ON THAT TO OR SHOW OF HANDS. OKAY, SO IT LOOKS LIKE A 4 OR 5, MAYBE HALF THE COMMITTEE THERE. AS I RECALL, WE WENT IN THE END CLOSEST TO UNION STATION, THAT THE FARTHER OUT WE GOT THERE WAS LESS STRUCTURAL PRESERVATION WORK TO THE POINT WAY OUT AT THE END, IT SEEMS LIKE THE ROOF WAS STABILIZED, BUT NOT MUCH OF THE INTERIOR WORK IS THAT THAT'S STILL IN THAT KIND OF STATE, CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH. AT SOME POINT WE THE AND I KNOW MATT'S RIGHT THERE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT THAN ME IF YOU WANT HIM TO. BUT YES. WHERE IT WAS WHEN YOU WENT IS WHERE IT IS TODAY. SO, SO ALSO AS YOU TALK AND LIKE, LIKE RICK HAD SAID, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THAT FACILITY. YOU'RE TAKING A 1910, 1920 BACK THE WAGON UP, UNLOAD IT, LOAD IT TO A TRAIN FACILITY THAT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RETROFIT TO SOMETHING FOR, FOR CURRENT USE. YOU ALSO LOOK AT AG AND MARKETS WHEN IT'S NOT JUST THE MARKETING OF THE FOOD, BUT NOW IF YOU'RE IN THE SERVICE OF FOOD AND PREPARATION, A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. AS I READ, ELIGIBILITY ACTIVITIES UNDER THE GRANT, AND I AND I READ THAT FOR MATT JAMES, I TRIED TO PICTURE THE LANGUAGE OF THE GRANT VERSUS WHERE WE MIGHT GO. AND IN THERE FOR OUR OUR COMMITTEE HERE, ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING SERVICES PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OR CONSULTING FEES, INCLUDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE'RE SOMEWHAT DOWN THE ROAD, AND I WOULD THINK THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE OF THAT PROPERTY, THAT THERE WOULDN'T BE MUCH THAT WOULD GO THERE. BUT I'M NOT 100% SURE. YEAH. SO THE PROJECTS THAT THE PROJECTS THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT THAT WORKING WITH, WITH, WITH MATT BEASLEY AND DPW WERE AGAIN, IT'S THE RESTROOMS. IT'S THE STAIRCASE AND ELEVATOR AND ADA ACCESSIBILITY AND SOME HVAC UPGRADES, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO EXPAND THE MARKET. ALL THAT QUALIFIES. AND FALLS WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE GRANT IS ASKING FOR. YEAH. YOU'D HAVE TO DO THE SAME THINGS YOU DO WHEN YOU DO ANY OTHER PROJECT, BUT YEAH, I DON'T I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN IN THERE, SO I DON'T I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT PART OF IT. BUT THAT WORK ALREADY BEEN DONE OR THE SCOPING OUT THE HEATING AND WATER AND LIKE THAT. YEAH. SO THIS IS A SHORT ANSWER I GUESS. SO WE'VE HAD A COUPLE PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS THAT HAVEN'T COME TO FRUITION THERE THAT WE'VE DONE THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, STARTED DESIGN ON SCOPE SCOPE OUT. BUT WE PUT OUT THE BID CAME IN TOO HIGH, ENDED UP NOT DOING SOME OF THEM. SO WE HAVE THESE THINGS KIND OF ALREADY EARMARKED. YOU KNOW LIKE THE BATHROOMS. WE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH HAVE A DESIGN THAT WE BID IT OUT IN 2018 RIGHT BEFORE COVID CAME IN, TOO HIGH COVID HIT. IT KIND OF WAS SCRAPPED.YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE FROM THE WORK THAT JAMES DID WITH THE MASS GROUP TO DO THE, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY LOOK AT IT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, BIG PICTURE. IF IT GOES TO A FOOD HUB. BUT THEY DID IDENTIFY LIKE THE ADA STUFF. SO THAT'S WHEN JAMES BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, FOUND THIS GRANT MONEY. WE IDENTIFIED THE STRUCTURAL AND THE KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE RELATED ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE DONE IN THAT SPACE TO USE IT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE. YOU KNOW. BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A FOOD GRANT RELATED. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO EXTEND THE MARKETS AND EXTEND THE SEASON OF THE MARKET WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, IN THE WINTER TIME, THE MARKET GETS MOVED INSIDE. AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER. BUT YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE ALLOW US TO USE THAT SPACE, YOU KNOW, IF NOT JUST EXTENDED SEASONS YEAR ROUND, YOU KNOW. SO THAT'S WHERE IT ALLOWS THAT TO HAVE BATHROOMS THERE RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO THERE, YOU HAVE TO GO INTO THE BUILDING TO USE THE BATHROOM. OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING PEOPLE OUT IN THAT SPACE, NOT LETTING YOU KNOW WHEN THE MARKET'S GOING ON AND READING THE DESCRIPTION AGAIN IN THE OUR THE, THE RESOLUTION HERE, IT SAYS CONDUCTING HISTORICAL SURVEY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES
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RELATED TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE UPGRADES. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF THOSE FEES HAVE ALREADY PAID. AND YOU'RE LOOKING THEN TO APPLY THE GRANT TO THE ACTUAL UPGRADES OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.SO THOSE THOSE FEES HAVE NOT I MEAN, THEY'LL HAVE A LEG UP WHERE THERE'S A BASE POINT, BUT WHEN WE PUT THAT OUT TO OUR FEED TO UPDATE IT, NO PROFESSIONAL WILL TAKE SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK AND SAY, OKAY, PUT IT OUT. THEY WANT TO. THEY'LL GIVE THEM A STARTING POINT, THEY'LL UPDATE IT, AND THEN ONCE WE GO TO HAVE A BID SET, THAT'S WHEN WE DEAL WITH SHIPPO AND GET THEIR APPROVAL ON THE WORK TO MAKE SURE IT MATCHES THE, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC NATURE OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE A STARTING POINT, BUT WHEN WE GET GOING, IT'LL STILL COVER THOSE FEES AS WELL. SO I GUESS MY AND I SHARE RICK'S FEELINGS OF WHERE DO YOU CUT YOUR LOSSES? AND YOU STARTED JAMES EXPLAINING THIS OFF TO EITHER KNOCK IT DOWN OR OR IMPROVE IT. AND WE'VE STARTED DOWN THAT PATHWAY. BUT WHEN THE LAST OF THE LANGUAGE HERE AND YOU STARTED EXPLAINING IT, A FOOD COURT, FOOD, HEALTHY FOOD AND AVAILABILITY AND I CONCUR WITH MICAH, THAT PART OF THE COUNTY IN RELATION TO THE CITY CERTAINLY COULD BE BENEFICIAL. BUT DOES ACCEPTING THAT GRANT NOW KIND OF PIGEONHOLE US TO THAT IS THE FUTURE USE? AND IT COMES TO STEVE'S COMMENT AND I HAD WRITTEN, HOW IS THIS EVALUATED, ESPECIALLY KNOWING HOW GRANTS WORK, ESPECIALLY KNOWING AG AND MARKETS, AND THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU. PARDON THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU. YEAH.
SO DOES THE GRANT FROM FROM AG AND MARKETS THEN DICTATE THAT THE FUTURE USE WILL BE SOMETHING TO DO WITH FOOD SERVICE? THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. BUT THE LONG ANSWER IS THAT IS WHAT IT'S FOR.
SO RIGHT NOW THAT'S WHAT WE DO WITH IT. SO THE, THE IDEA THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I HAVE NO IDEA NOR I DON'T THINK HAS ANY, AT LEAST I HAVE NOT PUT ANY THOUGHT INTO WHAT WE WOULD DO WITH IT OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE THE PATH WE'VE BEEN ON SINCE 2011. SO I'M NOT I'M NOT REALLY SURE. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD BE. BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO FULFILL THE GRANT IS THESE THREE PROJECTS. THAT AND THEN THEY'RE DONE. THERE'S PLENTY OF STACKING. MONEY IS A VERY AND YOU CAN STACK MONEY HERE BECAUSE A FEDERAL SOURCE CAN BE USED AS THE MATCH OR A LOCAL SOURCE STACKING MONEY TO DO A, YOU KNO, IF YOU HAD A I'M MAKING THE NUMBER UP, IF YOU HAD A $50 MILLION PROJECT, YOU'RE STILL GOING TO GET SOURCES FROM MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PLACES. SO YOU WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO STACK A PROJECT LIKE THAT IF THAT WAS THE END. LIKE IF, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE EXACTLY THIS THING, WHAT IT HAS TO DO TO QUALIFY IS EXPAND ACCESS TO FRESH FOOD IN A AREA LIKE WHERE THE RIGHT WING IS. ONCE IT DOES THAT, YOU DO THESE THREE PROJECTS, YOU'RE DONE. YOU GET THE MONEY, YOU'RE DONE WITH THE THING AND THAT'S IT. YOU MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TO THE NEXT THING. BUT BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IN YOUR GRANT APPLICATION, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE DOING, HOW THOSE THREE PROJECTS THAT YOU'VE, THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED WILL DO THAT THING. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO IN SAYING THAT OR AND I'M VERY FAMILIAR, YOU'RE PULLING DIFFERENT SOURCES OF MONEY TO EXPAND YOUR POT AND GET BUY IN AS A PLANNING DEPARTMENT THROUGH A GRANT LIKE THIS. LOOKED AT ANY POTENTIAL FOR PRIVATE INVESTMENT AND LONG TERM OF IF THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE DONE, THEN THIS FACILITY IS CLOSER TO READY AND THEN SOMEBODY ELSE IS BUYING IN PRIVATELY TO EXPAND IT. YES OKAY. YEP. YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT PIECE OF WHO YOU'RE REACHING OUT AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING? WELL, IT'S NOT ABOUT REACHING OUT. WE WENT THROUGH A PLANNING PROCESS FOR THAT VERY THING WHICH, WHICH, WHICH ALLOCATES BUSINESS MODELS AND, AND OTHER OPTIONS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER THING. AND FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY. RICK, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH. MY MEMORY IS NOT AS GOOD AS YOURS, JAMES AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT. IT WENT BACK TO 2011. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHEN THE MARKET OPENED. THE WORK WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE THAT. I WOULD IMAGINE. I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT. AND I WAS ORIGINALLY THINKING ABOUT SUPPORTING IT, LETTING IT GO TO WASTE AND MEANS MY COMMITTEE AND THEN GET MORE INFORMATION THINKING ABOUT IT A LITTLE LONGER AND MAKING A DECISION, BUT I CAN'T. I'VE VOTED AGAINST THIS PROJECT ON A COUPLE OCCASIONS, I THINK, AND I STILL NEED THAT INFORMATION. JAMES.
YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL TRACK IT DOWN. I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER FOR IT IN IN THE LINE OF QUESTIONS FROM STEVE AND ALSO FROM KEITH ABOUT WE'RE IN, WE'RE IN. AND ONCE WE ACCEPT THE GRANT WHETHER IT'S.
YEAH. BUT AGAIN THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. YOU'RE NOT IN YOU'RE IN. WHEN YOU ACCEPT THE GRANT
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YOU GOT TO FULFILL THE THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE ON THIS PAGE. THAT'S YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE COURSE. NO. I'M SAYING I'VE KNOWN HAS TOLD ME ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY. IT'S NOT UP TO ME. WHAT? COURSE WE GO ON THE GRANTS. NOT STOPPING THAT. BUT THE GRANT WOULDN'T STOP OR CHANGE THAT OUTCOME. SO AS A AS A REMINDER TO THE COMMITTEE, THE DACA IS SIMPLY TO ASK PLANNING TO ALLOW THEM TO APPLY THE GRANT. YEP. IF IT IS APPROVED FROM COMMITTEE, IT'S GOT TO COME BACK HERE ON A THURSDAY NIGHT. IT'LL GO TO WAYS AND MEANS WEDNESDAY NEXT WEEK.I'M NOT SURE PLANNING AND JAMES'S LEADERSHIP WOULD WRITE THE GRANT BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.
I, I CONCUR THAT RESERVATION WROTE IT, BUT I PERSPECTIVE TO ALSO LISTEN TO THE INPUT FROM RICK'S COMMITTEE AND WAYS AND MEANS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT INSTITUTIONALLY MAY HAVE BEEN AT THE TABLE LONGER AND KNOW IS THERE MORE DIRECTION OR BETTER DIRECTION FOR THE COUNTY AND FOR PLANNING? SO I CONCUR WITH THAT. RICK AND I KNOW THAT YOU YOU'VE HAD YOUR POSITION. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS, TO PUSH IT ALONG AND THEN VERY INTERESTED IN DIALOG ON WEDNESDAY. AND JUST BECAUSE I'M SUPPORTING IT TONIGHT, IT'S I'M SUPPORTING IT TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND HEAR, HEAR WHAT THAT COMMITTEE HAS TO SAY. AND IS THERE OTHER, OTHER THOUGHTS AND OTHER DIRECTION. AND AS WE SAID, THIS IS SIMPLY TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT AND KNOWING 3 MILLION IN A STATEWIDE POOL OF 10 MILLION IS A VERY AGGRESSIVE REACH. AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN ASSURE THAT IT'S OUT THERE, BUT IT MIGHT ALSO ATTRACT INTEREST IN OTHER THINGS THAT OTHER THAT AS JAMES HAS SAID, THAT SPINS OTHER INTEREST AND AVENUES AND INVESTMENTS. SO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. SEEING NONE WILL PROCEED TO VOTE WITH A RISING VOTE. SHOW OF HANDS, ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS. RAISE YOUR HAND. GET THAT. ALL OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. SO WITH THAT MAJORIT, SUPPORT IT. THAT DOCKET WILL MOVE ON TO WAYS AND MEANS NEXT WEEK. JAMES THANK YOU. AND MATT, THANK YOU FOR THAT INPUT. I'M SURE THAT THERE WILL BE MORE QUESTIONS COMING DOWN THE ROAD.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS COMMITTEE TONIGHT? SEEING NONE. ALEX. MEETING TO ADJOURN. MOVE BY JEFF. SECONDED BY STEVE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SAY NO. MOTION CARRIED. MEETING ADJOURNED. NEXT ONE. AIRPORT. I
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