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          WOULD CALL THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING TO ORDER, AND MIKE WILL DO THE ROLL CALL. 
          [a. 2024-0386  PROBATION RE:     APPROVAL OF A RAISE THE AGE GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PROBATION, AND NEW YORK STATE, THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES]
WE'RE ALL SET THERE. SO FIRST DOCKET IS 2024 0386. IT'S AN APPROVAL OF A RAISE THE AGE GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF PROBATION AND NEW YORK STATE THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL, CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES. AND HOLLY IS HERE TO TELL US ABOUT THIS DOCKET AND TAKE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE. OKAY. THIS IS THE RAISE THE AGE GRANT THAT, REIMBURSES THE ONEIDA COUNTY PROBATION DEPARTMENT, FOR THE SALARIES OF THIS YEAR, WE PUT IN FOR THE SUPERVISOR AND THREE PROBATION OFFICERS BECAUSE THE CASELOAD HAS INCREASED AND, THE FOR TEN, GPS BRACELETS AND ALSO FOR TRAVEL. WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET FROM IN THE COMMITTEE? MR. JULIAN. THANK YOU MR. NUMBER TWO, THE SUMMARY STATEMENT SAYS THE RAISE THE AGE GRANT IS DESIGNED TO TREAT 16 AND 17 YEAR OLDS AS JUVENILE OFFENDERS. THE GOAL IS TO WORK WITH THIS AGE GROUP IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER, TO AVOID FUTURE JAIL AND OR PRISON AND MAKE THEM RESPONSIBLE, CRIME FREE ADULTS. HOW'S THAT WORKING OUT? I'M NOT PUTTING THE BLAME ON YOU. I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION HOW IS THAT WORKING OUT? DOING THE BEST WE CAN. I KNOW YOU'RE DOING THE BEST YOU CAN, BUT THIS PROGRAM IS ACTUAL GARBAGE. I MEAN, I IT IS, IT IS A IT IS, IT IS AN INTERNSHIP FOR CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S LIKE, HERE, TAKE YOUR KIDS, TAKE THIS AND YOU'LL BE IN WITH US. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE WORST THINGS THAT HAVE EVER HAPPENED. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S HARDLY ANY BEDS. YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS IS JUST ABSOLUTELY MORE OF THE GARBAGE THAT JUST GOT JAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS, THAT IT'S TERRIBLE. IT REALLY IS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SUBMITTING FOR PAYMENT FROM THEM. HOW MUCH OF THIS HOW MUCH ARE YOUR, LIKE OFFICE TIME IS TAKEN UP BY THESE 16 AND 17 YEAR OLDS. A LOT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE TAX COURT. WE STARTED THAT TEEN ACCOUNTABILITY COURT. 
          SO, THAT'S WHERE THE GANG, GANG, GANG OFFENDERS, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY THEY HAVE THE GPS BRACELETS. WE USE THEM A LOT. WE ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE ON CALL, WHICH IS ALSO PAID THROUGH A GRANT. TO WATCH THEM ALL HOURS OF THE DAY BECAUSE THEY ARE COMMITTING MOST OF THE CRIMES. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO ON THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I GOT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET? BEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? DOCKET PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS IS THAT THE SECOND CHANCE I'M WORRIED ABOUT? IT'S THE FIFTH AND SIXTH AND 10TH. HOW MANY CHANCES ARE WE GOING TO GIVE DAVE BUCK? I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET. TIM'S IN CHARGE OF HIM. ZERO 
          [b. 2024-0627 – EMERGENCY SERVICES RE: TRANSFER OF $232,000.00 TO A 3020 3020-290-000 EMERGENCY SERVICES ADMIN- OTHER EQUIPMENT]
TOLERANCE FOR BUCK. NEXT UP IS DOCKET 2024 0627. IT'S A TRANSFER OF $232,000 TO TWO A 30, 20, 30, 22, 90 000 EMERGENCY SERVICES ADMINISTRATION. OTHER EQUIPMENT IS, GOOD EVENING. 
          ABOUT THE OTHER EQUIPMENT? YES. WELL, THE REASON THAT WE'RE MAKING THIS REQUEST IS TO UTILIZE THE REQUESTED FUNDS ALONG WITH FUNDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE THROUGH OUR STATEWIDE INTEROPERABLE COMMUNICATIONS GRANT TO PURCHASE A QUANTITY OF NEXT GENERATION MOTOROLA LTE RADIOS, PORTABLE RADIOS. THESE RADIOS USE BOTH CELLULAR AND WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY TO INCREASE THE COVERAGE AREA THAT YOU CAN GET WITH A TWO WAY RADIO. WHAT THIS IS INTENDED TO DO IS, IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS PURCHASE 108 FIRE VERSION OF THESE RADIOS AND 31 POLICE VERSION OF THESE RADIOS, RIGHT NOW TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD SOMEWHAT INSUFFICIENT COVERAGE BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN AFTER THE BUILD OUT OCCURRED, AS OF JULY OF LAST SUMMER, RIGHT AFTER JULY, WE ENDED UP WE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH SOME OF THE COVERAGE, IN THE NORTH BAY, SYLVAN BEACH, CAMDEN AND FLORENCE AREAS. WE'D BEEN WORKING WITH MOTOROLA OVER THE LAST YEAR TO SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO CORRECT THAT PROBLEM WITH THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEY BASICALLY HAVE INDICATED THAT THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAT THEY COULD REALLY DO RIGHT NOW, THEY'VE TRIED THE MOVING, THE MICROWAVES, DIFFERENT THINGS WITH ANTENNAS. THEN WE ACTUALLY EVEN BEGAN HAVING SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BUILDING NEW TOWERS, ONE IN VIENNA, TO COVER THAT PARTICULAR AREA. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE HAD AN ONGOING ISSUE IN, ORISKANY FALLS, KNOWN FOR QUITE A WHILE, EVEN BEFORE THE NEW RADIO SYSTEM WAS PUT INTO PLACE, AND WE WERE CONSIDERING AT LEAST GETTING PRICES FOR A POTENTIAL, TOWER 
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DOWN IN ORISKANY FALLS TO ADDRESS THAT. THE NICE THING ABOUT THESE PARTICULAR PORTABLE RADIOS IS WHEREVER THEY GO, THEY WILL INCREASE IN-BUILDING COVERAGE, AND YOU WILL POTENTIALLY HAVE COVERAGE WHERE YOU DIDN'T GET THE WAY THEY WORK IS, IF YOU GO OUT OF RANGE OF A RADIO SIGNAL OR A TOWER SIGNAL FOR THE RADIO, IT WILL PICK UP A RADIO SIGNAL FROM ONE OF THE CELLULAR TOWERS, AND IT USES CELLULAR TECHNOLOGY TO ACTUALLY TRANSMIT WITH. SO THIS WOULD BE PHASE ONE OF, A PROJECT THAT WE ARE SORT OF LOOKING AT THROUGH EMERGENCY SERVICES RIGHT NOW. 
          THIS PROJECT ADDRESSES THOSE AREAS THAT I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT INITIALLY IN THOSE AREAS OF FLORENCE, SYLVAN BEACH, CLEVELAND, NORTH BAY AND CAMDEN, AND THEN WHAT WE WOULD ULTIMATELY LIKE TO DO IS GO TO THIS NEXT GENERATION RADIO FOR ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS IN THE COUNTY. SO JUST A LITTLE FOREWARNING. YOU'RE LIABLE TO SEE ME HERE AS SOON AS NEXT MONTH. TALKING ABOUT THE PHASE TWO OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS DOCKET FROM IN COMMITTEE? BOB SO YOU SAID THAT'S A SCARY PLACE. EVENTUALLY FALLING. OUR PLAN WOULD BE TO REPLACE, I WON'T SAY IT'S NOT ALL, BUT IT'S A MAJORITY OF THE FIRST LINE TYPE OF RESPONSE THAT WOULD HAVE ESPECIALLY LIKE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A SPECIFIC BUILDINGS. AND THEN WE'D BE PROVIDING A QUANTITY TO ALL FIRE BECAUSE THEY UTILIZE THE RADIOS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. THEY CAN USE THE OLD RADIO AS WELL AS THEIR OLDER RADIOS THAT THEY UTILIZE WITH THE ANALOG SYSTEM TO GO OFF NETWORK AND ACTUALLY HAVE COMMUNICATIONS FROM WITHIN A BUILDING TO THEIR COMMANDER OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. SO IT WOULDN'T BE AN ALL AROUND 1 TO 1 REPLACEMENT FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE RADIOS. SO I GUESS THIS IS ARE SOME OF THOSE REASONS THEY COME BACK TO US AND WE REDISTRIBUTE TO SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE THAT IS THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO. WHAT I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN KIND OF SAYING RIGHT NOW IS THERE WAS NO PLAN TO, RECOUP SOME OF THOSE FROM THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE THEM UNLESS THEY FIND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A USE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WHEN WE WERE PRICING THIS OUT WITH MOTOROLA AND WE ACTUALLY, CONTACTED A RESALE, VENDOR TO SEE WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY GET FOR THESE CURRENT MOTOROLA APPS. 4000 THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORTH MORE STILL IN THE HANDS OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS HERE THAN THEY WOULD BE ACTUALLY WHAT WE COULD GET THROUGH THE RESELLER. IT WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTING WHAT THEY WOULD OFFER, WHAT THEY OFFERED US FOR A RESALE ITEM. SO I ACTUALLY SAID I'D RATHER USE IT AS A DOORSTOP THAN ACCEPT WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO GIVE US. WELL, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PARTNERS I'M SURE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IS IF, IF, FOR AN AGENCY THAT HAS BETTER COVERAGE AND NOW THAT THEY HAVE THESE RADIOS, IF THEY COULD FREE UP SOME OF THE APS 4000 THAT WE COULD MAKE AVAILABLE TO A, AN AGENCY THAT NEEDED THOSE, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE ONCE WE ROLL THIS OUT. 
          DOESN'T NEED THE NEW ONES. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE INCENTIVE FOR THEM NOT TO GET NEW ONES IS MORE CORRECT. YEP. AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CURRENT RADIOS THAT WE HAVE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO WORK AS WELL AS THEY'VE WORKED TO THIS POINT, THESE NEW RADIOS, IT'S LIKE I SAID, IT'S THIS NEXT GENERATION RIGHT NOW, MOTOROLA AND HARRIS RADIOS ARE THE ONLY TWO VENDORS THAT ACTUALLY OFFERS THIS LTE TECHNOLOGY, WHICH IS LONG TERM. EVOLUTION. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S CALLED THAT, BUT WHEREAS THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE, THE ACTUAL, TOWERED RADIOS THAT WE HAVE, RIGHT NOW IS LMR, WHICH IS LAND MOBILE RADIO, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF TERMINOLOGY THAT I'VE BEEN LEARNING THROUGH MOTOROLA THROUGH THIS PROJECT. WAS THAT. IN TERMS OF JUST ONE PORTABLE, IT'S ABOUT DOUBLE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST ABOUT $3,000 FOR A, AN OLD, LMR RADIO. AND IT'S ROUGHLY FOR THE POLICE VERSION. IT'S ROUGHLY $6,000. IT'S ABOUT 5700 FOR A FIRE VERSION. THE POLICE VERSION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THERE'S ENCRYPTED TECHNOLOGY THAT IS BUILT INTO THOSE RADIOS. MR. JULIAN, THANK YOU, MR. MR. STEVENS, HOW MANY OF THESE ARE WE GETTING? RIGHT NOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO GET 108 FIRE VERSION AND 23 POLICE VERSION OF THIS RADIO. 123 3133. 
          WEREN'T WE AWARE THAT THESE SIGNALS WOULD BE BAD FROM THESE THESE TOWER LOCATIONS ORIGINALLY ON THIS? NO, NO, IN TERMS OF GOING BACK TO THE WHAT WE LEARNED AFTER THE BUILD FOR THIS LAST IS WE KNEW THAT THE SIGNAL IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA WAS NOT STRONG, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE FLORENCE TOWER WAS BUILT AFTER THE FLORENCE TOWER WAS BUILT. IT DID NOT 
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ACTUALLY, RESULT IN THE COVERAGE THAT WAS, I THINK, EXPECTED OR PROVIDED BY MOTOROLA IN THEIR MAPPING, WHICH IS WHAT LED US BY AUGUST, AFTER JULY OF LAST YEAR, WHEN THEY WERE ACTUALLY ALL TURNED ON TO START INVESTIGATING WHAT COULD BE DONE DIFFERENTLY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAD TO IMPROVE THAT MOTOROLA MAPPED IT OUT FOR US AND SAID WE SHOULD BE GOOD, BUT NOW WE'RE NOT. AND SO NOW WE'RE BUYING MORE RADIOS FROM MOTOROLA. GIVE YOU A TECHNICAL REASON WHY THAT IS KIND OF FUNNY. I WAS THERE, YEAH, WHY WAS AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM? SOUNDS LIKE WHEN THE BATTERY RUNS OUT ON MY IPHONE 13 RATHER THAN THE 15, I SHOULD BE GETTING INSTEAD. YEAH, I ACTUALLY SAID THE SAME THING. AND TO BE QUITE HONEST, THE CONVERSATION BETWEEN ME AND ONE OF THE MOTOROLA REPS WAS QUITE HEATED AT ONE POINT IN TIME. IN TERMS OF, GUARANTEES AND NOT GUARANTEES AND COVERAGE MAPS AND WHAT WHAT THEY TOLD CERTAIN PEOPLE AT A CERTAIN TIME OF WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS COULD BE OR WHAT THEY WOULD BE. AND AGAIN, THE REASONS WE'RE GIVEN RIGHT NOW IS THAT THEY NEVER GUARANTEE 100% COVERAGE IN ANY PARTICULAR AREA. AND THOSE MAPS ARE BASICALLY AN AVERAGE OF WHAT YOUR EXPECTATION WILL BE. AND BETWEEN A CELLULAR TOWERS AND OUR RADIO TOWERS, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE 100% COVERAGE, LESS. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS 100% COVERAGE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE ORISKANY FALLS FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO TEST ONE OUT. AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S 100% BETTER, BUT THEY'RE VERY HAPPY WITH THE COVERAGE THEY GET NOW. AND THAT IS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE HAD. WE'VE WE'VE HAD DEMOS OUT TO CAMDEN POLICE, CAMDEN FIRE, NORTH BAY FIRE, CLEVELAND FIRE, FLORENCE FIRE, SYLVAN BEACH FIRE, ORISKANY FALLS FIRE, ONEIDA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ROME POLICE AND FIRE, AND UTICA POLICE AND FIRE. AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN NEGATIVE FEEDBACK YET FROM ANY OF THOSE AGENCIES. 
          RIGHT NOW. IT ALL SEEMS TO BE THAT THEY LOVE THEM, AND IT DOES SEEM TO BE THE ANSWER FOR ANY OF THE ISSUES THAT THEY WERE EXPERIENCING. AND THE THING RIGHT NOW, FOR ME, HAVING BEEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, IS THE IN-BUILDING COVERAGE THAT IT GIVES YOU HISTORICALLY, WITH ANY PORTABLE, I DON'T CARE WHAT SYSTEM YOU ARE ON, YOU ARE GOING TO FIND A BUILDING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT YOU WOULD NOT HAVE COVERAGE IN. IT'S JUST IT'S THE WAY THEY'RE BUILT. IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION. SOMETIMES YOU DON'T HAVE THAT, I KIND OF LEFT THAT OUT. ANOTHER NOT THAT IT'S AN OPTION, ANOTHER FUNCTION THAT'S BUILT INTO THIS IS IF YOU GO INTO A BUILDING THAT ALSO HAS WI-FI, YOU CAN PROGRAM THAT WI-FI INTO THAT PARTICULAR, PORTABLE. SO IF YOU'RE IN A JURISDICTION WHERE YOU HAVE VERY LARGE BUILDINGS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE WI-FI, AND HISTORICALLY YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD BAD COVERAGE EVEN WITH THE CELL PHONE, YOU CAN UTILIZE THEIR WI-FI AND IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY FIND THE STRONGEST SIGNAL FOR YOU. SO YOU DON'T LOSE COVERAGE ONCE YOU'RE IN THAT BUILDING. SO NOT ONLY IS THE LAND MOBILE RADIO AND LTE, WHICH IS CELLULA, YOU CAN ALSO USE WI-FI TECHNOLOGY FOR BUILDINGS THAT YOU KNOW. SO IS IT SIMILAR TO THE PUSH TO TALK TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS OUT WITH VERIZON OR WITH NEXTEL AND THINGS LIKE THAT BACK 20 YEARS RIDES ON THAT? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S THAT IT'S THAT TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT IT'S THE SAME THING BECAUSE IT'S NOT. YEAH, IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THE SAME. THE A FEW YEARS AGO, RICK WILL REMEMBER THIS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT NEXT GENERATION 911 AND ALL THE, ALL THE THINGS THAT WAS GOING TO BE CAPABLE OF. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STEPS, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, THAT WILL INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY. AS YOU RECALL, WHEN I USED TO TALK ABOUT NEXT GENERATION, I ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE COST. YOU KNOW, THESE RADIOS ARE PRETTY MUCH DOUBLE WHAT THE OTHER RADIOS ARE AND COST, THEY CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH USER ERROR, ALTHOUGH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE RADIOS DON'T LIKE TO HEAR THAT, EVERYTHING'S COMPUTERIZED AND THEY CAN PULL UP SCREENS THAT SHOW TWO PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO EACH OTHER RIGHT AT THE SAME TIME, ON THE SAME CHANNEL. IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. WE'VE GOT SOME INSTANCES WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE RAISE SOME HELL BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T TALK TO EACH OTHE. THEY CAN LOOK, THERE'S TWO BARS GOING ACROSS. THEY'RE LITERALLY TALKING ON DIFFERENT CHANNELS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN A PANIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, THESE CAN, YOU KNOW, THE GOOD NEWS IS THEY CAN DO A LOT MORE BAD NEWS IS, NUMBER ONE, THE COST AND TWO, THEY CAN BE A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED. SO THEY HAVE BEEN STRESSING AND THEY'VE BEEN TRAINING ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO GET TRAINED ON HOW TO HOW TO OPERATE THESE PROPERLY. ACTUALLY I HAVE TWO. THEY'RE ACTUALLY WHAT I FOUND. THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN IS THAT THEY'RE EXTREMELY EASY TO USE. AND THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT THAT THAT THE NEWEST ONES, THEY, THEY, THEY LOVE THEM, THERE'S IT'S BASICALLY IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A CELL PHONE SCREEN. IT'S A TOUCH SCREEN, WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USED TO, AND JUST IN CHANGING ZONES AND CHANNELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AGAIN, THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN RIGHT NOW, EVEN ON THAT, IS THE EASE OF USE AND THE COVERAGE THAT THEY'RE GETTING WITH THESE ARE PHENOMENAL. CAN YOU BRING ONE IN 
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ON WEDNESDAY SO WE CAN SEE IT? SURE. CAN YEAH I CAN I'LL WE'LL BRING ONE BACK IN OUT OF THE FIELD BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT SIX DEMOS AND THEY'RE ALL BEING UTILIZED IN VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS. SO I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO TO GET ONE OF THOSE BACK. THE OLD ANALOG RADIO STILL WORK. 
          THE OLD ANALOG RADIO WILL STILL WORK FOR. SO LIKE FOR A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEIR OLD ANALOG RADIOS ARE THE RADIOS THEY WOULD USE ON ON FIRE GROUNDS. SO THEY'RE INTERIOR FIREFIGHTERS IF THEY HAVE TO GO INTERIOR, THEY'RE GOING TO GO OFF NETWORK TO A CHANNEL WHERE THEY'RE TALKING FROM THERE. IT'S BASICALLY WORKS LIKE A WALKIE TALKIE. WHAT THEY'RE HOLDING INSIDE THE BUILDING IS GOING TO TALK TO THE RADIO THAT IT'S OUTSIDE THE BUILDING TO THE INCIDENT COMMANDER. THE YEAH. SO IT'S ANALOG TO ANALOG AND THEN WHAT? THE SHIFT COMMANDER WILL BE DOING OUTSIDE OF THAT BUILDING IS HE WILL BE UTILIZING THIS NEW RADIO TO COMMUNICATE WITH FIRE CONTROL. OKAY, MR. WATERMAN? YEAH, THAT ANSWERED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT, AND WE DON'T BLAME YOU. WE BLAME KEVIN FOR THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE WAS DOING THIS BEFORE YOU CAME ON BOARD. BUT DO WE FEEL THAT MOTOROLA HAS LIVED UP TO ITS CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS? LISTEN, WE THERE'S THE PEOPLE GET AMNESIA ABOUT HOW CRAPPY THE OLD SYSTEM WAS. PEOPLE GET AMNESIA ABOUT THE OLD UTICA SYSTEM WHOSE I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS. THAT WASN'T EVEN MEANT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IT WASN'T EVEN DESIGNED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. IT WAS. IT WAS DESIGNED FOR LARGE CONSTRUCTION FIRMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT DIDN'T MEET ANY OF THE STANDARDS THAT, REGULATORY AGENCIES, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM THEY HAVE TO MEET. I MEAN, GOING TO THE COUNTY SYSTEM AND THE COUNTY 901, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN INCREASED IN QUALITY. BUT MOTOROLA IS THE CADILLAC OF RADIOS. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. IF WE WANT TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE SPENDING ON THIS RADIO SYSTEM AND WENT WITH, UHF, WE'D HAVE EVEN BETTER RADIOS IN OUR RADIO SYSTEM. EXTRAORDINARILY EXPENSIVE, AND YOU HAVE THE USER ERRORS, TOO, WHICH IS A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, DO THEY GET INTO THE DETAILS AND THE TECHNICAL WHEN THEY'RE EXPLAINING THINGS AND TRYING TO SELL THINGS? MAYBE. MAYBE NOT ON OCCASIONS, BUT LISTEN, ORISKANY FALLS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM FOREVER. IT'S BUILT AT THE BOTTOM OF A BOWL, A BOTTOM SURROUNDED BY MOUNTAINS. 
          IT'S JUST A CRAPPY PLACE TO TALK ON A RADIO, AND CELLULAR COVERAGE TOO. THANKFULLY, THEY'RE BUILDING A TOWER. ANOTHER TOWER THERE BY THE SCHOOLHOUSE APARTMENTS. YOU GET INTO OTHER AREAS. IT CAN BE A PROBLEM IF YOU GO INTO THE B2 DOWN HERE, IT COULD VERY WELL BE A PROBLEM. BUT IT'S BETTER NOW THAN IT'S EVER BEEN. REMEMBER WHAT WE USED TO HAVE? WE HAD ONE PUBLIC SAFETY CHANNEL, IN THIS COUNTY FOR FIRE CONTROL. IF ANYBODY JUST DECIDED TO CLICK A MIC, NOTHING WAS GOING TO GET TRANSMITTED. WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPEN BEFORE. WE HAD PEOPLE WHO COULD PROGRAM A RADIO. THIS HAPPENED WHEN I WAS THERE THAT YOU GO ONLINE AND PROGRAM A RADIO. YOU CAN BE JOE BLOW AND YOU'RE TALKING ON THE COUNTY MRDD CHANNEL, AND YOU COULD TIE THAT UP WHEN EMERGENCY CALLS COULDN'T GO OUT AND PEOPLE COULDN'T YELL FOR HELP WITH SOMEBODY JUST HOLDING A MICROPHONE DOWN ON A PORTABLE, WE HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE DOING THIS. WE HAD, ONE INSTANCE A FEW YEARS BACK THAT THEY WERE SELLING THEM AT A FACEBOOK GARAGE SALE. SO AND IT SAID RIGHT IN THE LITTLE AD, YOU CAN TALK ON FIRE CONTROL AND MRD, AND SOME ONE OF THE DISPATCHERS SAW IT, AND WE WENT AND APPROACHED THE PERSON AND GOT HIM BACK. SO THIS IS MUCH MORE SECURE, ABLE TO TRACK THINGS MUCH BETTER. IT'S MUCH MORE INTEROPERABLE, WHICH OUR OLD SYSTEMS OR NOT. ON NATIONAL AND STATEWIDE CHANNELS, SO THERE'S BEEN MASSIVE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE 100% COVERAGE ALL THE TIME. BY THE WAY, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS I DON'T KNOW WHY SOME OF THE RESPONDERS THINK IT'S SILLY TO DO, BUT WHEN WE TESTED THIS, WE ALSO DO THE STATUE OF LIBERTY THING. YOU GET THE SHOULDER, MIKE, AND YOU JUST TAKE YOUR RADIO OFF AND GO LIKE THAT. YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH THAT IMPROVES COVERAGE. LITERALLY GETTING AWAY FROM YOUR BODY AND GOING LIKE THAT. IT'S MARKEDLY DIFFERENT, BUT A LOT OF FOLKS JUST DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED DOING THAT. SO, THERE'S LITTLE TRICKS LIKE THAT THAT WE TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE NO COVERAGE HERE. YOU'RE GETTING BONKED OFF, YOU TAKE IT OFF, GO LIKE THAT AND LOUD AND CLEAR. NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE, BUT CERTAINLY MOST OF THE TIMES IT IS. YOU SHOULD RUN FOR OFFICE WITH A GREAT POLITICAL ANSWER. 
          YOU LIKE THAT? TESTING? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW, LIKE THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A ONE FOR ONE SWAP. NO, IT IS NOT. THESE ARE. SO THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE REQUESTS PUT IN FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT WANT THESE. AND IT'S STILL GOING TO GET NOT HAPPENING. HOPEFULLY ONE OF ONE SWAP RIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS AND YOU CLEAR THAT UP AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EVERY VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTY RECEIVED TEN OF THE APS, 4000, WHICH IS THE CURRENT RADIOS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THE PLAN IS TO GET THEM FIVE OF THESE EACH BY THE TIME WE'RE 
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DONE WITH ALL OF THIS. SO THAT WILL BE A TOTAL OF 15 PORTABLE RADIOS THAT THE COUNTY HAS SUPPLIED TO THEM, THOSE TEN AP RADIOS CAN ALSO BE USED FOR THE INSIDE FIREFIGHTING. THE FIVE LTE RADIOS, THESE NEW ONES REALLY FOR THEM, WOULD BE MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE RADIO, WHICH IS THE COMMANDER OUTSIDE. SO I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY THAT THEY NEED MORE, BUT IN REALITY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE WITH THIS QUANTITY. AND IF THEY WANTED TO PURCHASE MORE, MOTOROLA HAS AGREED WITH US TO PROVIDE A DISCOUNTED PRICE FOR THEM. ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A QUANTITY. SO WHAT I'M TELLING THEM IS IF THERE IS A NUMBER OF AGENCIES OUT THERE THAT ARE LOOKING TO MAKE A PURCHASE IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE COUNTY IS PROVIDING, DO IT TOGETHER. SIT DOWN WITH MOTOROLA AND THEY WILL EVEN GET A BETTER PRICE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. SO AND THIS, I'VE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT WITH, WITH ALL OF THE POLICE, FIRE AND EMS ON THIS, I THINK FIRE IS ANXIOUS TO, TO GET A HOLD OF THESE. I THINK THAT THEY UNDERSTAND AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SURPRISED BECAUSE THAT NUMBER OF FIVE IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE DIVULGED THAT TO ANYBODY. AND I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE QUITE HAPPY WITH THAT NUMBER IN TERMS OF KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD BE GETTING FIVE OF THESE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE ANY MORE THAN FIVE CHIEFS, DEPUTY CHIEFS HEADING DOWN THE LINE TO LIEUTENANT OR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON. SO THAT USUALLY IS GOING TO GIVE EVERY ONE OF THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON AND THEIR DEPARTMENT THE AVAILABILITY OF ONE OF THESE PORTABLE RADIOS. NO BECAUSE THEY MAY YELL THE LOUDEST DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE DISCIPLINE THAT IS YELLING THE LOUDEST REALLY NEEDS THESE, BECAUSE IF HE PULLS SOMEBODY OVER ON MAPLEDALE ROAD AND BRIDGEWATER, HE'S BY HIMSELF WRESTLING ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AS OPPOSED TO A FIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET EIGHT, TEN, 12 PEOPLE SHOWING UP. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT ISN'T REALLY COMPLAINING ALL THAT MUCH ABOUT IT. ANOTHER DISCIPLINE IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, BUT, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I WANT TO ROLL THESE OUT AS SOON AS WE CAN TO LAW ENFORCEMENT JUST SO IF WE PUT UP A TOWER IN ORISKANY FALLS, THAT'S NOT 100% GOING TO FIX IT. 
          HOW MUCH WOULD HOW MUCH WOULD THAT TOWER COST, JUST GOING ON TO THE VERIZON TOWER, RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS LIKE A NEW TOWER. OH, A BRAND NEW TOWER, A LITTLE OVER A MILLION A PIECE FOR THE MICROWAVE THING. YEAH, THIS FIXES THIS. IT'S CLOSE TO CLOSE TO 2 MILLION. WHEN WE'RE GOING IN ONE DIRECTION ABOUT BUILDING A TOWER IN ORISKANY FALLS. RIGHT. WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD IN FLORENCE IN FLORENCE, AND IN ORISKANY FALLS. WE WERE LOOKING ON GOING ON EXISTING TOWERS. AND IT WAS WE WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT 1.5 MILLION TO GO ON. SOMEBODY ELSE'S ALREADY BUILT TOWER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST AN EASIER FIX. COULDN'T WE GET MADISON COUNTY TO ANNEX ORISKANY FALLS? ARE WE WHAT HE WANTS TO ANNEX ORISKANY FALLS? YEAH. JUST THINK THAT'D BE A GOOD IDEA. RIGHT BEHIND THEIR FIREHOUSE IS MADISON COUNTY TO THE RIGHT. 
          IT'S MADISON COUNTY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET? WELL, WITH ALL THAT SAID, WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE THAT THEY'VE MET A LION'S SHARE OF THEIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. 
          OH, YEAH. I MEAN, YES. YES. NO. YES. DEFINITELY. OKAY. OKAY THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. NO OTHER QUESTIONS. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, I. YEAH DOCKET PASSES, NEXT UP IS 
          [c. 2024-0416 – EMERGENCY SERVICES RE:    APPROVAL OF A GRANT AWARD BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES, AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES, AND ESTABLISHMENT OF CAPITAL PROJECT H-EMG 135 EMERGENCY SERVICES – NYS DCJS LETECH GRANT AWARD]
DOCKET 2024 0416. AN APPROVAL OF A GRANT AWARD BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES AND THE STATE OF NEW YORK, THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES AND ESTABLISHMENT OF CAPITAL PROJECT H M G 135 EMERGENCY SERVICES, NEW YORK STATE DCJS LEE TECH GRANT AWARD. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, IS WE ENDED UP PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THIS WAS A LAW ENFORCEMENT GRANT. BUT WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT THIS, AND I CAN'T RECALL IF I'VE HAD TO BRING THIS UP PREVIOUSLY, BUT OUR CURRENT CAD AND RECORDS MANAGEMENT VENDOR, CENTRAL SQUARE, NOTIFIED US APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS AGO THAT THEY WERE END OF LIFE END OF LIFING THAT PRODUCT. SO WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AND WE DID GO OUT, WENT TO RFP. WE CHOSE IT. THAT ACTUALLY CAME BEFORE YOU WITH THE CONTRACT AND THE AGREEMENT. WHEN WE FIRST DID THAT, WE WERE LOOKING AT FUNDING SOURCES TO HELP US PAY FOR THAT. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THIS COMES INTO. SO WITH THIS GRANT, 2.32. YEAH. 2.323 MILLION OF THIS IS GOING TO GO TOWARDS THAT NEW CAD RMS THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE TO PUT IN TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY END A LIFE TO THE CURRENT CAD THAT WE HAVE. THE REST OF THAT IS FOR TECHNICAL, ITEMS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PUT IN FOR, WHICH INCLUDES EIGHT, PC TABLETS, WHICH IS TO GO IN VEHICLES, THREE, THREE HANDHELD THERMAL SCANNERS, ONE UNMANNED UAV. SO 
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THAT'S A DRONE AND, SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, WHICH WERE THE POLE CAMERAS, FOR A TOTAL OF 36. SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THIS GRANT, IS $2,436,349.03. AND LIKE YOU SAID, THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT 2.3239 45 IS TO GO TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF OR ACTUALLY THE PAYMENTS OF THE, COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SOFTWARE THAT RUNS THE 911 CENTER. WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET? WOULD BE NONE. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED NEXT UP IS DOCKET 2024 0457. 
          [d. 2024-0457 – DISTRICT ATTORNEY RE:     APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY, THROUGH ITS DISTRICT ATTORNEY’S OFFICE, AND NEW YORK STATE, THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES]
IT'S AN APPROVAL OF A GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN ONEIDA COUNTY THROUGH ITS DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND NEW YORK STATE THROUGH ITS DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES. IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM THE DA'S OFFICE. YES. WILLIAM BERRY FROM THE DA'S OFFICE. HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. DO YOU WANT TO JUST EXPLAIN THIS A LITTLE BIT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS? SURE. SO THE, SHOTSPOTTER, WE HAD A, INTRODUCTORY PRESENTATION ON FRIDAY, BASICALLY WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS AN ACOUSTIC SYSTEM THAT IS GOING TO BE PLACED IN THE CITY OF UTICA THAT PICKS UP, GUNFIRE AND WOULD ALLOW FOR A POLICE RESPONSE. ASIDE FROM THE NECESSITY OF A CIVILIAN CALLING 911 AND REPORTING THAT. AWESOME. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET? MR. JULIAN? DOES THIS, GET IMPACTED BY, LIKE, A CAR BACKFIRING OR ANYTHING? I MEAN, YOU HEAR SOME OF THE CARS, THE TUNER CARS AND STUFF THAT HAVE THAT FIREWORKS, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. DOES THIS SEND OFF ANY FALSE WOULD IT? SURE. WELL, SO THERE'S A HUMAN ELEMENT TO THIS SERVICE AND, IT'S ACTUALLY VERIFIED. SOMEONE LISTENS TO THIS AUDIO, RELAY AND VERIFIES THAT IT IS, IN FACT, GUNFIRE BEFORE THEN, SENDING THE SIGNAL TO THE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT TO RESPOND. SO IT SHOULD YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT 100% GUARANTEE, BUT THEY INDICATED IT'S A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO WEED OUT, SUCH AS FIREWORKS. AND CAR BACKFIRING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS DOCKET WOULD BE NONE. WE'LL TAKE THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OPPOSED DOCKET PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. MOTION TO
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